Calling off chases?

HSVKILLA · 29-03-2010, 07:28 PM

I have noticed a pattern that has been forming but did'nt think too much of it until recently and has really got me thinking,here goes,why is it that the police(over here in nz not to sure about oz)when involved in a vehicle chase that ends in disaster or bad crash always state firstly that they called off the pursuit 100 metres before they crash(sometimes fatal) or a minute etc,it gets said after nearly evertime i see a chase on the news.What they are basically saying is these speedsters go even harder after they see the cops back off and make huge driving mistakes,would'nt it happen in the heat of a pursuit?,I just find it all a bit suspect to fall back on the calling off the pursuit line everytime someone is killed or injured...Your thoughts.

4Vman · 29-03-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

I have noticed a pattern that has been forming but did'nt think too much of it until recently and has really got me thinking,here goes,why is it that the police(over here in nz not to sure about oz)when involved in a vehicle chase that ends in disaster or bad crash always state firstly that they called off the pursuit 100 metres before they crash(sometimes fatal) or a minute etc,it gets said after nearly evertime i see a chase on the news.What they are basically saying is these speedsters go even harder after they see the cops back off and make huge driving mistakes,would'nt it happen in the heat of a pursuit?,I just find it all a bit suspect to fall back on the calling off the pursuit line everytime someone is killed or injured...Your thoughts.

I think calling off the pursuit does nothing to slow these guys down....
To be honest they'd have no idea the pursuit was called off anyway so in their minds they just keep going...

Your ideas or inferences though are treading a fine line.....

I still like my rocket launcher on police cars idea, stop them early......

GS608 · 29-03-2010, 07:32 PM

You've got to be kidding if you are suggesting what i think you are.

These pursuits are constantly being supervised, everything is recorded, voice and video as soon as the lights and sirens get put on.

This would all be given to the state coroner after a fatality has occurred after a police chase. They are scrutinised to the last detail.

SVD · 29-03-2010, 07:57 PM

it doesn't stop the coroner being in on it though...
he does raise a good point though... go find one release by police after there has been a pursuit and an accident where they dont say that they called it off just before the accident...

GS608 · 29-03-2010, 08:04 PM

alright, found one.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...189804538.html

When the current coroner is considered very against police i don't think she would be covering up for them (in NSW)

ryanstev · 29-03-2010, 08:07 PM

The thing is, the offenders start driving dangerously on purpose, because they know the cops have to pull out of the chase due to that.

The problem is they're driving dangerously, so it's not surprising that they crash soon afterward, even after only 100 meters.

geckoGT · 29-03-2010, 08:09 PM

Do we have to go through this again, the last thread was what, three days ago?

4Vman · 29-03-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by geckoGT

Do we have to go through this again, the last thread was what, three days ago?

+1...

**Burnout** · 29-03-2010, 08:16 PM

+ 2 we have hammered this to death.

RG · 29-03-2010, 08:18 PM

It's because of the rabbits, too many rabbits in China.

pauljh74 · 29-03-2010, 11:08 PM

They divert attention to what is going on behind - they can no longer see the police car and keep looking for it, not paying as much attention to where they are going and next thing that happens is a crash.

388cube_edxr8 · 29-03-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HSVKILLA

I have noticed a pattern that has been forming but did'nt think too much of it until recently and has really got me thinking,here goes,why is it that the police(over here in nz not to sure about oz)when involved in a vehicle chase that ends in disaster or bad crash always state firstly that they called off the pursuit 100 metres before they crash(sometimes fatal) or a minute etc,it gets said after nearly evertime i see a chase on the news.What they are basically saying is these speedsters go even harder after they see the cops back off and make huge driving mistakes,would'nt it happen in the heat of a pursuit?,I just find it all a bit suspect to fall back on the calling off the pursuit line everytime someone is killed or injured...Your thoughts.

I agree mate - its a bit suss...

That's all I'm saying though. It seems I cant get away with as much as I used to around here.

GS608 · 29-03-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pauljh74

They divert attention to what is going on behind - they can no longer see the police car and keep looking for it, not paying as much attention to where they are going and next thing that happens is a crash.

seems pretty logical to me. no conspiracy going on there

JC · 29-03-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pauljh74

They divert attention to what is going on behind - they can no longer see the police car and keep looking for it, not paying as much attention to where they are going and next thing that happens is a crash.

Maybe that's why we don't hear about the pursuits that don't end in a fatal crash. Or maybe it's because there is no fatal and only fatals interest the media.

Redrum · 29-03-2010, 11:51 PM

Having had experience in many police pursuits and also being pursuit controller on a few I will say that police in general are very professional in their approach, running and termination of pursuits. Victorian police cars are monitored by gps and the communications are recorded.

I do not think though the reported situations are "100 metres back". Maybe they are a small amount of time, but when vehicles are traveling at excessive speeds they can cover a fair amount of distance.

Police pursuits also involve a pursuit controller, normally a Sergeant, other units are monitored by a Senior Sergeant and sometimes an Inspector. Every pursuit which involves a fatality or serious injury is investigated by the MCIU and ESD and possibly the OPI. So if what you allege is correct the whole force would have to be in on the lie.

XR Martin · 30-03-2010, 12:03 AM

Reason being its probably alot safer with a police car/s right up its clacker with the lights and sirens going, that way atleast the public can see and hear whats going on.
As soon as they back off, this fugitive doing warp speed is now basically invisible to the public as they cant see or hear anything until its too late.

Apollo66 · 30-03-2010, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think calling off the pursuit does nothing to slow these guys down....
To be honest they'd have no idea the pursuit was called off anyway so in their minds they just keep going...

Your ideas or inferences though are treading a fine line.....

I still like my rocket launcher on police cars idea, stop them early......

With a descent war head to sufficiently subdue the offenders
:gren:

geckoGT · 30-03-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Reason being its probably alot safer with a police car/s right up its clacker with the lights and sirens going, that way atleast the public can see and hear whats going on.
As soon as they back off, this fugitive doing warp speed is now basically invisible to the public as they cant see or hear anything until its too late.

Please don't let common sense destroy the conspiracy theory.

4Vman · 30-03-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Reason being its probably alot safer with a police car/s right up its clacker with the lights and sirens going, that way atleast the public can see and hear whats going on.
As soon as they back off, this fugitive doing warp speed is now basically invisible to the public as they cant see or hear anything until its too late.

That is a VERY good point......

aussie muscle · 30-03-2010, 10:19 AM

remember "Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry"? like that...

hey, we're home free....splat!

MO · 30-03-2010, 10:22 AM

I think a few ppl should walk a mile in a coppers shoes before they open up on here.

geckoGT · 30-03-2010, 10:32 AM

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I think a few ppl should walk a mile in a coppers shoes before they open up on here.

Absolutely, easy to be critical when you are talking from an observation point of view.

We have the same thing, getting complaints from people for pathetic things purely because the public do not understand the proceeses involved and the multitude of considerations that our actions require. Personally I feel sorry for the cops in these situations, trust me it does not sit well with them and no cop wishes for it to happen.

Time to give the cops a break, they don't create these problems. They are just trying to do a job that is often thankless and we need them. Our society is a better place with them around than we would have without them.

RG · 30-03-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

I think a few ppl should walk a mile in a coppers shoes before they open up on here.

What and make an informed comment instead of shooting off half c0cked?

Never!

trippytaka · 30-03-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I think calling off the pursuit does nothing to slow these guys down....
To be honest they'd have no idea the pursuit was called off anyway so in their minds they just keep going...

Your ideas or inferences though are treading a fine line.....

I still like my rocket launcher on police cars idea, stop them early......

Yep, agreed.

DBourne · 30-03-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MO

I think a few ppl should walk a mile in a coppers shoes before they open up on here.

I'd like to see some armchair warriors walk a mile at all!

Seems a lot of people just sit in their chair and whinge... (wait.. what am I doing right now... d'oh!)

auxr · 30-03-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RG

It's because of the rabbits, too many rabbits in China.

Yep, I totally agree.