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Old 12-08-2019, 10:10 PM   #1
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Hi all

I have a question. I have a small 'bracket' that is welded to a cross member on a factory vehicle. See the image below. I want to dremel off this bracket, move it sideways, and then weld it back on. It is folded 3mm metal and I can see that it is only lightly welded into place. This is to fit a FWD Transmission swap (IB5 to MTX75). I am in NSW.

I'm new to this and not afraid at having a go. Does anyone know how this is interpreted for Compliance purposes? There would be no cutting or weakening of the actual cross member, and I'm just relocating a factory component. I expect I'd have to have the welds done by a professional as my poke-and-stab splatter welds are not very robust.




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Old 12-08-2019, 10:18 PM   #2
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Theres 2 things. Speak to an engineer for their opinion. Or just do it and see if anyone notices come pink slip time. Id probably speak to an engineer first. Ive had a trailer blue slipped before. It wasnt modified, but had it been and they were satisfied theyd just issue a mod plate. Im guessing the same goes for cars done in such a fashion that its all good. The only other hurdle i can see is insurance stuff.
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Default Re: Modified Vehicle Compliance Advice

I went and found this hoping to find you a way out, unfortunately I think the document pretty clearly spells out it does require certification. Though that should be straight foward if you are just simply relocating the existing bracket.

https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents...ifications.pdf

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TRANSMISSION AND DRIVELINE

Item 6 : Modification

Fitting of any manual or automatic transmission or transaxle which does not fit within the original transmission tunnel and also bolts directly to the engine, original transmission mounting(s) and original tailshaft and/or driveshafts.

Example requiring certification:
ēFitting a manual or automatic transmission and/or transaxle which requires modification of the floor or the cross-members of the vehicle in any way.

Example not requiring certification:
ēFitting a manual or automatic transmission and/or transaxle which fits within the original transmission tunnel and bolts to the engine directly, or by the use of an adapter plate.

Or you could just do it anyway



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I’d go with “just do it anyway”. Looks like a removable subframe.

When I’ve shifted stuff like this I take it for re-welding to a bloke who builds insanely powerful bikes. I trust his knowledge of what makes a good strong fixing point, as a misjudgment in his normal work could be fatal.

The intent of the code in a situation like this is to block silly stuff, not carefully planned adjustments...
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Thanks

That looks like the NSW RMS VSI 6 document. You're right in that this tells me what has to be certified versus what doesn't.

I've also had a look at the national ADR NCOP (National Cope of Practice) VSB14 guidelines that include a lot more detail.

I didn't find specifics of what I was looking for. I thought there might be some things that you just could not do - some things Allan has mentioned on the Skid Factory around steering and engine mounts raised questions for me I was trying to clarify.

Questions to a certifier it will have to be.


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Old 18-08-2019, 09:33 PM   #6
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Depending how good your welding is, if you do it neatly, then repaint it, and then age it a bit, dirty it up, it would be all but impossible to detect...
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Depending how good your welding is, if you do it neatly, then repaint it, and then age it a bit, dirty it up, it would be all but impossible to detect...
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