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Old 23-09-2018, 09:36 AM   #1
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I recently bought another car. Its 2nd hand that is 20 years old and is missing many of the features we take for granted.

Its missing power windows, abs, air bags, cruise control, any sort of modern safety gadgets.

Its only features are power steering, air conditioning and am/fm radio.. BUT it has a beefy V6 engine.

Its enjoyable to drive, the simplicity and power makes it an old school car that is fun. Many modern cars are feature rich with buttons everywhere but absolutely no power, a raspy lifeless engine.

Who misses the days when you could order a falcon GL with the big boofy v8 or a commodore exective v8. Bare bones features but powerful motor.

I own a fgx xr8 and although new in its age, its a very simple vehicle relative to many other cars on the market. Big beefy v8 and bare bones feature wise (relatively speaking).

Anyone else enjoy this formula? simple vehicle with powerful engine?
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Anyone else enjoy this formula? simple vehicle with powerful engine?
Reminds me of my Mach 1. Loved it.
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I recently bought another car. Its 2nd hand that is 20 years old and is missing many of the features we take for granted.

Its missing power windows, abs, air bags, cruise control, any sort of modern safety gadgets.

Its only features are power steering, air conditioning and am/fm radio.. BUT it has a beefy V6 engine.

Its enjoyable to drive, the simplicity and power makes it an old school car that is fun. Many modern cars are feature rich with buttons everywhere but absolutely no power, a raspy lifeless engine.

Who misses the days when you could order a falcon GL with the big boofy v8 or a commodore exective v8. Bare bones features but powerful motor.

I own a fgx xr8 and although new in its age, its a very simple vehicle relative to many other cars on the market. Big beefy v8 and bare bones feature wise (relatively speaking).

Anyone else enjoy this formula? simple vehicle with powerful engine?
I like 1990s cars for this reason - they have A/C (thats cold as), power steering, power assisted brakes and EFI.

I'm using a 5L VS Caprice as my daily, it loves a drink but its fun to drive.
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I drive my mk1 Cortina GT every day and love it.
460 air con and armstrong power steering.

Obviously nowhere near as powerful as a bent 8 but it still gets up and boogies!
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Simple is best. Just enough features to get by to remain relatively modern is the go, without useless mind numbing tech like lane departure warning, blind spot monitoring, keyless entry, keyless start and auto engine stop...
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I recently bought another car. Its 2nd hand that is 20 years old and is missing many of the features we take for granted.

Its missing power windows, abs, air bags, cruise control, any sort of modern safety gadgets.

Its only features are power steering, air conditioning and am/fm radio.. BUT it has a beefy V6 engine.

Its enjoyable to drive, the simplicity and power makes it an old school car that is fun. Many modern cars are feature rich with buttons everywhere but absolutely no power, a raspy lifeless engine.

Who misses the days when you could order a falcon GL with the big boofy v8 or a commodore exective v8. Bare bones features but powerful motor.

I own a fgx xr8 and although new in its age, its a very simple vehicle relative to many other cars on the market. Big beefy v8 and bare bones feature wise (relatively speaking).

Anyone else enjoy this formula? simple vehicle with powerful engine?
Thank God you said it's got a v6.

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Yes , absolutely, but not as a daily. For me a daily needs all the safety features you can get and at least 350hp at the tyres.
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I drive my mk1 Cortina GT every day and love it.
460 air con and armstrong power steering.

Obviously nowhere near as powerful as a bent 8 but it still gets up and boogies!
ii totally read this first as 460big block, aircon, yadda yadda, and was thinking yeah that would get up and boogie LOL
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I recently bought another car. Its 2nd hand that is 20 years old and is missing many of the features we take for granted.

Its missing power windows, abs, air bags, cruise control, any sort of modern safety gadgets.

Its only features are power steering, air conditioning and am/fm radio.. BUT it has a beefy V6 engine.

Its enjoyable to drive, the simplicity and power makes it an old school car that is fun. Many modern cars are feature rich with buttons everywhere but absolutely no power, a raspy lifeless engine.

Who misses the days when you could order a falcon GL with the big boofy v8 or a commodore exective v8. Bare bones features but powerful motor.

I own a fgx xr8 and although new in its age, its a very simple vehicle relative to many other cars on the market. Big beefy v8 and bare bones feature wise (relatively speaking).

Anyone else enjoy this formula? simple vehicle with powerful engine?
So Fiji.....gotta ask.....what is this 20yr old car you've bought??
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So Fiji.....gotta ask.....what is this 20yr old car you've bought??
obviously not a commodore as that didn't have a beefy v6.
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obviously not a commodore as that didn't have a beefy v6.
And it's not another Aurion as they're not 20yo yet
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I'm thinking Nissan 300ZX, or maybe Mitsubishi GTO or 3000GT.

I reckon any of these would be fun to drive.
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You'd never catch me driving a stripped down bare bones vehicle with a big block V8 but you can try if you like....
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Its nothing special trust me, camry with a 6 in it. Ive owned a falcon au in the past, they are ok.

But this car is simple, reliable, so simple there is nothing to break. Winding up windows is cool.

I had to learn to park again though, no reverse camera.. thats actually a cool feature.

I dont like the modern cars with bluetooth and heated steering wheel, head up display.. they get near 2 tonne with all the crap and they in but then a raspy 2.0 engine in it. These cars after 10 years are throw away items as everything will be worn and failing and too expensive to fix. The engine will be smoking all over the shop.

For me most driving enjoyment comes from power/torque under the hood, give me power steer and air cond, decent stereo and a big bruiser motor.
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Its nothing special trust me, camry with a 6 in it. Ive owned a falcon au in the past, they are ok.

But this car is simple, reliable, so simple there is nothing to break. Winding up windows is cool.

I had to learn to park again though, no reverse camera.. thats actually a cool feature.

I dont like the modern cars with bluetooth and heated steering wheel, head up display.. they get near 2 tonne with all the crap and they in but then a raspy 2.0 engine in it. These cars after 10 years are throw away items as everything will be worn and failing and too expensive to fix. The engine will be smoking all over the shop.

For me most driving enjoyment comes from power/torque under the hood, give me power steer and air cond, decent stereo and a big bruiser motor.
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I have a AUII 220kW XR8 with a 347ci Windsor.

It's old school to me, no bells, whistles or gadgets apart from a replacement stereo head unit (unlike my Fiesta ST), however it handles pretty well for what it is, goes ok for what it is, and sounds awesome.

The great thing about it is that everything I do to it is going to make it go better, it still has its stock heads, stock headers, stock merge pipe, auto gearbox and stock suspension.

What a great simple platform to play with...probably the last of the Falcons this could be said for.

In its current form it gets slightly less fuel economy than my BA MkII Fairmont and drives a hell of lot better...
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BA xt falcon with a 5.4SOHC v8 truck engine, 5sp, LSD, no traction control, no stability control, just ABS very under rated & fun and its the closest thing to feeling like an old car without feeling like an old car lol that iv driven call it soul or character
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I recently bought another car. Its 2nd hand that is 20 years old and is missing many of the features we take for granted.

Its missing power windows, abs, air bags, cruise control, any sort of modern safety gadgets.

Its only features are power steering, air conditioning and am/fm radio.. BUT it has a beefy V6 engine.

Its enjoyable to drive, the simplicity and power makes it an old school car that is fun. Many modern cars are feature rich with buttons everywhere but absolutely no power, a raspy lifeless engine.

Who misses the days when you could order a falcon GL with the big boofy v8 or a commodore exective v8. Bare bones features but powerful motor.

I own a fgx xr8 and although new in its age, its a very simple vehicle relative to many other cars on the market. Big beefy v8 and bare bones feature wise (relatively speaking).

Anyone else enjoy this formula? simple vehicle with powerful engine?
Camry V6 is hardly a good example of fun to drive car (1MZ-FE is a good engine but that's about it) .They are fairly reliable and simple to work on. They don't handle and only fun bit is straight line acceleration if the road is dry . I owned one of these in manual many years ago .
If you actually like driving , simple ,manual hot hatch would be my choice . Something like Focus or Swift for example .
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If you actually like driving , simple ,manual hot hatch would be my choice . Something like Focus or Swift for example .
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I recently bought another car. Its 2nd hand that is 20 years old and is missing many of the features we take for granted.

Its missing power windows, abs, air bags, cruise control, any sort of modern safety gadgets.

Its only features are power steering, air conditioning and am/fm radio.. BUT it has a beefy V6 engine.
This is the standard equipment on 1998 Camry V6: (source redbook.com.au)

4 Speaker Stereo, Independent Front Suspension
ABS (Antilock Brakes), Independent Rear Suspension
Adjustable Steering Col. - Tilt only, Intermittent Wipers - Variable
Air Conditioning, Power Door Mirrors,
Airbag - Driver, Power Steering,
Airbag - Passenger, Power Windows - Front & Rear
Body Colour - Bumpers Power Windows - Front only
Central Locking - Remote/Keyless, Radio Cassette
Cruise Control , Remote Boot/Hatch Release
Disc Brakes Front Ventilated, Remote Fuel Lid Release
Disc Brakes Rear Solid, Tacho,
Engine Immobiliser.

The only optional equipment available in 1998 was sunroof and metallic paint.
The V6 Camry was quite well equipped. Can't see how you managed to find one without power windows, airbags, ABS, Cruise control, electric mirrors, when all this is listed as standard equipment.
It's only missing Bluetooth, self parking, reversing camera, navigation,
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Camry V6 is hardly a good example of fun to drive car (1MZ-FE is a good engine but that's about it) .They are fairly reliable and simple to work on. They don't handle and only fun bit is straight line acceleration if the road is dry . I owned one of these in manual many years ago .
If you actually like driving , simple ,manual hot hatch would be my choice . Something like Focus or Swift for example .

If you like driving, buy a Focus or a swift?
Thatís like saying if you like steak, buy tofu.
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This is the standard equipment on 1998 Camry V6: (source redbook.com.au)

4 Speaker Stereo, Independent Front Suspension
ABS (Antilock Brakes), Independent Rear Suspension
Adjustable Steering Col. - Tilt only, Intermittent Wipers - Variable
Air Conditioning, Power Door Mirrors,
Airbag - Driver, Power Steering,
Airbag - Passenger, Power Windows - Front & Rear
Body Colour - Bumpers Power Windows - Front only
Central Locking - Remote/Keyless, Radio Cassette
Cruise Control , Remote Boot/Hatch Release
Disc Brakes Front Ventilated, Remote Fuel Lid Release
Disc Brakes Rear Solid, Tacho,
Engine Immobiliser.

The only optional equipment available in 1998 was sunroof and metallic paint.
The V6 Camry was quite well equipped. Can't see how you managed to find one without power windows, airbags, ABS, Cruise control, electric mirrors, when all this is listed as standard equipment.
It's only missing Bluetooth, self parking, reversing camera, navigation,
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The model i have is csi.

It dont have most of the items above. I can post up pic of the window winders to prove it, no airbags, no cruise control also, not sure about abs brakes
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Not sure you can see this..I can! But I love driving this!.

450hp, 900 kg's simple as...nothing but foot pedals, and a steering wheel and driver! And that steering wheel is attached to a 30mm solid steel spear aimed at my head (actually slightly above my head I sit so low)

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450hp, 900 kg's simple as...nothing but foot pedals, and a steering wheel and driver! And that steering wheel is attached to a 30mm solid steel spear aimed at my head (actually slightly above my head I sit so low)

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The model i have is csi.

It dont have most of the items above. I can post up pic of the window winders to prove it, no airbags, no cruise control also, not sure about abs brakes
You should still have a drivers airbag. My family had a 98 Conquest V6, that only had power front windows. Has everything else though
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You should still have a drivers airbag. My family had a 98 Conquest V6, that only had power front windows. Has everything else though
No drivers airbag or power windows. Its a CSi model. Bare bones with V6

Its as basic as they come, just a silky smooth V6 underhood. Similar performance to a VT commodore V6 or Au falcon i6, but way smoother and quieter.

Interior simplicity reminds me of an old falcon GL. Dont know why but its really cool to drive such a simple car.
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For me i like simplicity but i like tech too (being in that industry).
For me, best of both worlds is Robert Downey Jr's 70 Mustang.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/robe...ebuts-at-sema/

Something like that is what I would love to do with a '69 Mustang Mach1.
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No drivers airbag or power windows. Its a CSi model. Bare bones with V6

Its as basic as they come, just a silky smooth V6 underhood. Similar performance to a VT commodore V6 or Au falcon i6, but way smoother and quieter.

Interior simplicity reminds me of an old falcon GL. Dont know why but its really cool to drive such a simple car.
Family had one of those Camries when I was a kid. The old man somehow got word that Camry was a good reliable car, didnít fancy the AU and we went from a fantastic 1998 EL Sapphire (and 4 falcons before it), to a 2000 model Camry CSI 2.2. I hated everything about that Camry: its cheap and nasty dashboard design, rectangular air vents, how the interior smelt like a cheap lunchbox in the summer, the uncomfortable flat seats, the feeling of being pulled along by a FWD bumdragger, it was the most bland and anonymous looking thing from the outside and the inside. It also was absolutely gutless, and had no fuel economy, it would always be in excess of 10L/100km and was hopeless on the highway when going up any sort of incline.

Things that went wrong (car purchased brand new from showroom floor):
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- hvac failure, heater and a/c both seized to function
- taillights melted on one side
- the boot always somehow filled up with water and smelt putrid
- rear struts/shock absorbers groaned from 60,000km onwards going over bumps in the road
- the motor always had an uneven idle, never sounded smooth
- dad had a sudden-unintended-acceleration debacle, and ended up collecting the side fence of the house, taking out a side window of the house, and nearly ploughing into the back shed. He swears black and blue that he did not press the accelerator instead of the brake, and the car just went haywire on him...
- at 215,000 km, the engine was making so little power, that it became a hazard to drive. The thing was so slow and had such poor acceleration, you risked being T-boned driving through a roundabout , with the foot flat to the floor. Wasnít worth fixing and Traded it in for a new corolla, only got $2k trade-in value. The corolla was everything the Camry wasnít, and was a very very good ride though, so iím not biased against Toyota or anything. It certainly demolished any respect I had for Camries , especially that box car 1998-2002 model shape.
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