The BA shifter is trimmed **PICS** - Page 3

PULLY6 · 11-09-2005, 09:45 PM

Hmmmm.............

gets me thinking again!

mcflux · 12-09-2005, 12:45 AM

lol I'll keep you with the dark side mate :P

Moran · 12-09-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Moran, I somehow doubt the electronics secrets will be shared :P Well, maybe the hardware side of things (you'd be able to duplicate the circuitry easily enough), but methinks the software will remain a secret with Murray ;)
-Dave-

Fine I will look into it myself cant be to hard to work out

NZ · 12-09-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

I'm quite surprised that no-one else really (to my knowledge) has taken this up as a mod for their E-Series.
-Dave-

Not everyone has pooftermatics ;)

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Pully, sorry mate I missed your post from ages ago... It'll hold 2nd, but it would most likely kick back if you were travelling uphill.

I thought the whole point of it was for it to stay in the gear you pick?

EA2BA · 12-09-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ

Not everyone has pooftermatics ;)

I thought the whole point of it was for it to stay in the gear you pick?

The BA will labour I am told in the gear selected, but have not had a chance to drive a BA and see how it goes compared to the EA behaviour.

If it was written to be 100% like a BA, then it would mean writting a whole custom trans controller, if you want you can buy custom trans controllers, I think they start at $1500.

NZ · 12-09-2005, 01:04 PM

Not trying to throw fluffy dice, but another thread from the reply I got the impression if say the car was in 2nd it would stay in 2nd no matter what. So it will kick back under high loads?

And your right about the BA operation, I tried to get a XR6 NA to swing out round a corner but I was pressing the shifter forward (or was it backwards?)and ended up trying to accelerate at 30km in 4th lol

EA2BA · 12-09-2005, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ

Not trying to throw fluffy dice, but another thread from the reply I got the impression if say the car was in 2nd it would stay in 2nd no matter what. So it will kick back under high loads?

And your right about the BA operation, I tried to get a XR6 NA to swing out round a corner but I was pressing the shifter forward (or was it backwards?)and ended up trying to accelerate at 30km in 4th lol

it stays in 2nd it wont goto 3rd you can sit on the rev-limiter, but it will kick back.

Yeah getting the direction right is important whe shifting , i know at around 100 in 2nd you can select 1st

NZ · 12-09-2005, 01:11 PM

lol so really its a glorified T bar shifter???

thats crap I thought it was the real deal

EA2BA · 12-09-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ

lol so really its a glorified T bar shifter???

thats crap I thought it was the real deal

I guess you could say that, but you try select 3rd, then 2nd, then 3rd in a T-bar

: and not stuff it up.

InitialD · 12-09-2005, 01:19 PM

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and not stuff it up.

how stuff it up?

NZ · 12-09-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dellboy999

I guess you could say that, but you try select 3rd, then 2nd, then 3rd in a T-bar

: and not stuff it up.

lol don't get ya back up, remember you can just push the normal shifter from 2 - 3 no button needed.

I guess the ba shifter is a bit of a '**** mod' in my eyes now it doesnt really do anything different than the std setup. Sorry to be blunt about it but i'm kinda dissapointed it doesnt hold gears. ah well.

EA2BA · 12-09-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NZ

lol don't get ya back up, remember you can just push the normal shifter from 2 - 3 no button needed.

I guess the ba shifter is a bit of a '**** mod' in my eyes now it doesnt really do anything different than the std setup. Sorry to be blunt about it but i'm kinda dissapointed it doesnt hold gears. ah well.

You also get the advantage of power mode automatically selected when the SS is enganged, but I still fail to see how holding a gear is really a deseriable thing in the first place ?

EFFalcon · 12-09-2005, 01:45 PM

holding it in gear is really what sets it apart.
to be able to put it in 2nd, and plant it.. and have it STAY in 2nd no matter what makes it more predictable... these BTR's are NOT predictable.

NZ · 12-09-2005, 01:46 PM

I think the whole point of the sss is to make the auto be more like a manual in its operation. The way its setup in your car its basically still the same. You like its and thats cool. If it acted like the BA does I'd be doing it to my pooftermatic when I get it in. Anyway std tbar will do me.

mcflux · 12-09-2005, 02:24 PM

Sorry, I should've stated that if it was a *rather steep* uphill slope, and that you were doing low revs in 2nd, and then planted it, it would drop to 1st, then quickly reengage 2nd and stay in 2nd.

Another example is having it in 3rd at below 20kph and tromping it. But apart from these two extreme examples, it'll hold the gear you're in.

For normal driving where kickback normally occurs, it doesn't happen with the BA shifter.

Also, if you do something silly like travel at 100kph and then decided to put it back to 1st, it won't engage until you touch the throttle!

And those who saw me leave Nunawadding Maccas the other night can vouch that it holds the gear you select

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Ultimately it's not perfect, but it gets pretty close ;) Sure, the gearing is woeful compared to a T5, but I still see it as a viable alternative (that doesn't neccesarily mean it's better than a T5, but I'm very happy with it all the same).

-Dave-

Walkinshaw · 12-09-2005, 08:51 PM

This is wierd.

I was under the assumption that if you selected 3rd and slowed to say 5kmh up a hill and nailed it, it would STAY in 3rd....

EFFalcon · 12-09-2005, 08:58 PM

i think thats beyond the control of external electronics.. internal trans functions perhaps?

NZ · 12-09-2005, 09:01 PM

I'm guessing all this electronic software that you buy from Muzza does is bypasses the inhibit switch and sends its own voltages to match the gear position.

The BA functions are completely electronic. Its just very sofisticated. the transmissions were improved but its completely electrical the SSS side of things

SileNceR · 12-09-2005, 09:10 PM

the ba's downshift to 1st when you slow down below a certain speed (ie almost stopped too) standard ba shifting is slow as , not very enjoyable to drive... downshifting was very fast tho, that confused me a little

Moran · 12-09-2005, 09:27 PM

Then again if you want real control over gears the T5 is the was to go my EA Fairmont Ghia takes of much quicker than my AU.

mcflux · 13-09-2005, 05:24 PM

Yep, the "BA" P-R-N-D is simply the E-series box doing it's thing in economy mode. When in SSS an electronic bypass is activated which tries its best to hold onto gears. It is only in extreme circumstances (as mentioned) where it'll actually kick down.

If you plant it in 1st to 100 and back off, it'll stay in 1st but disengage the converter (or however the box allows slip to happen). Touch the throttle and BOOM it is still in 1st, but you've most likely shagged your box ;)

Also, regarding engaging an auto's 3rd gear at 5kph and wanting it to remain in 3rd: That's a 1:1 ratio. That's like engaging 4th with a fully dumped clutch with a T5, at 5ph! The car wouldn't be too happy :P

Edit: As for the shift in BAs seeming slow, a shift kit certainly hurries things along! (as mentioned in previous posts)

-Dave-

Moran · 13-09-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Yep, the "BA" P-R-N-D is simply the E-series box doing it's thing in economy mode. When in SSS an electronic bypass is activated which tries its best to hold onto gears. It is only in extreme circumstances (as mentioned) where it'll actually kick down.

If you plant it in 1st to 100 and back off, it'll stay in 1st but disengage the converter (or however the box allows slip to happen). Touch the throttle and BOOM it is still in 1st, but you've most likely shagged your box ;)

Also, regarding engaging an auto's 3rd gear at 5kph and wanting it to remain in 3rd: That's a 1:1 ratio. That's like engaging 4th with a fully dumped clutch with a T5, at 5ph! The car wouldn't be too happy :P

Edit: As for the shift in BAs seeming slow, a shift kit certainly hurries things along! (as mentioned in previous posts)

-Dave-

I heard the BA's Transmission change pattern also changes as it is Run in. When tranmission is new it will only let you push it so far than as it runs in it allows you to push it further. They designed it that way so you dont have to think about the run in process its all automated. when the transmission is replaced you have to connect tester and update ECU so it then can implement the gentle chenges till its run in.

CruizinEB · 13-09-2005, 06:13 PM

looks good mate, good job

mcflux · 13-09-2005, 06:27 PM

Hmm, haven't noticed any changes to the box behaviour to be honest. Maybe its behaviour altered/refined itself while I was learning how to treat the SSS?

Jase, since you and Muzza did a lot of testing with this, would you be able to say if this applies with our BA shifters?

This seems a bit like a post+1, but it's not meant to be.

-Dave-

Moran · 13-09-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Hmm, haven't noticed any changes to the box behaviour to be honest. Maybe its behaviour altered/refined itself while I was learning how to treat the SSS?

Jase, since you and Muzza did a lot of testing with this, would you be able to say if this applies with our BA shifters?

This seems a bit like a post+1, but it's not meant to be.

-Dave-

If your talking about cars that have had the shifter adaped to no you wouldnt it would require a lot of reverse enginering to acieve that and further inegreation with ECU

EA2BA · 14-09-2005, 09:15 AM

The electronics just tell the trans controller what to do based on signals from the BA SSS, if you put the BA SSS electronics onto a brand new box, it would not know that or take it into account in any shape or form.

Moran · 14-09-2005, 10:51 PM

I was refering to the BA's transmission controller not the one you have created for non BA 4 Speed auto's that would be to complicated for a simple pic controlled circuit.

leathal_weapon8 · 24-03-2006, 01:13 AM

hi, does the Ea run tip tronic, and if i wish to do something like that to my EB 2 4.0 can it be done?

EA2BA · 24-03-2006, 09:08 AM

Yes it does run trip tronic and it can be done to any electronic 4 speed auto, it has even been done in an AU.

send me a PM with your email address and i will pass your details on so you can get latest electronics pricing.

here are the other links to installing a BA Shifter:
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=7564
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=8183
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=29346

Moran · 24-03-2006, 10:31 AM

I decided not to bother if I want to drive a manual I will put a manual in. Which I may do one day I did it to my EA which I could always drive that its got more power than my AU anyway.