Mullaly confirms Falcon and Mustang to share platform from 2016 - Page 4

FPV8U · 13-01-2010, 10:27 PM

Any Chance of an AUS Built Mustang?

Considering they will be off the same platform and all..

4Vman · 13-01-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XCPWSF

What do you mean by "import costs"? Like shipping and things like that? What about other foreign car manufacturers? They all have to pay that too and their cars aren't $75,000 plus?

Volume V Cost... what's a BMW or Merc worth again??

Franco Cozzo · 13-01-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Volume V Cost... what's a BMW or Merc worth again??

What about Mazda, Hyundai, Toyota, insert foreign brand here.

BMW/Mercedes are all "premium" brands, Ford is in there with everyone else. People aren't going to pay $80,000 for something with a Ford badge on it. I'm pretty sure Ford in this country don't exactly have the best public perception either.

4Vman · 13-01-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by XCPWSF

What about Mazda, Hyundai, Toyota, insert foreign brand here.

BMW/Mercedes are all "premium" brands, Ford is in there with everyone else. People aren't going to pay $80,000 for something with a Ford badge on it.

What's a 335i worth in Germany?
People paid 80k for them 8 years ago.... They pay 80K for GT-Ps/GT-E's now..
If you fill a ship with cars like mazda etc do its far cheaper than importing a few hundred cars a month....
2 door coupes are niche market at best...

Franco Cozzo · 13-01-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

People paid 80k for them 8 years ago.... They pay 80K for GT-Ps/GT-E's now..
If you fill a ship with cars like mazda etc do its far cheaper than importing a few hundred cars a month....
2 door coupes are niche market at best...

Yes but how many do they sell? If it was priced appropriately I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes.

How many GT-Ps/GT-Es sell compared to the equivilent BMW/Merc/Audi/Lexus in the same pricerange?

Why not sell it in ALL RHD countries Ford is in? That'll surely reduce the price.

WOTDAH · 13-01-2010, 10:36 PM

Don't know if this has been posted but this is an email sent to all FoA employees from Marlin (FoA pres)

Team,

Following recent media headlines about what One Ford could mean for us in Australia, I wish to assure you that Falcon remains an extremely important vehicle for Ford Motor Company.

Ford Australia is only 18 months into the life-cycle of our all-new FG Falcon, which means that a replacement model isn't due until approximately 2015. It is important to understand that we are following our normal timeline and cadence of new model development and introduction. We are using the next 18 months – 2 years to conduct in-depth consumer research to determine what a successful replacement vehicle will need to offer Australian customers in an extremely competitive marketplace.

We are very fortunate that our global One Ford plan will allow us to work with other Ford locations throughout the world that, like Australia, have a need for large cars. Working together as one team, we will be in a much stronger position to more efficiently and effectively deliver to our respective markets a vehicle with class leading levels of quality, safety, fuel-efficiency and leading-edge technologies.

Make no mistake, our global One Ford philosophy provides numerous benefits for us in Australia. It has allowed us to share knowledge; to gain access to new technologies; and to play an active role in the Ford world. Never has this been more evident than our lead role in the design and development of global vehicle programs such as the company's new T6 compact pick-up (which will eventually be sold in more than 100 countries) and the Figo small car for India. These significant programs clearly demonstrate the role Ford Australia plays regionally and globally.

Our recent $230 million investment announcement was also only possible thanks to our One Ford plan, bringing to the Australian market Ford's first application of a RWD EcoBoost engine for Falcon and a turbo-charged diesel for Territory.

It is unfortunate that one or two media headlines in recent days started a round of negative speculation about what One Ford could mean for us. Be assured that our position has not changed. We have been communicating a consistent message about our forward plans to dealers, suppliers, governments and our internal Ford team for over 12 months. We will continue to move forward with our plans and build on the momentum we generated in 2009.

I would like to thank you for your ongoing commitment and support and I would strongly encourage you to ignore ill-informed speculation and not allow it to divert you from the important role you are playing in building a successful Ford Motor Company for us all.

Marin

4Vman · 13-01-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Yes but how many do they sell? If it was priced appropriately I'm sure it would sell like hotcakes.

How many GT-Ps/GT-Es sell compared to the equivilent BMW/Merc/Audi/Lexus in the same pricerange?

No point pricing it to sell if you loose money doing it......
Look at Holden...

Franco Cozzo · 13-01-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

No point pricing it to sell if you loose money doing it......
Look at Holden...

Yes but if you price it too high it wont sell either?

Iggypoppin' · 13-01-2010, 10:40 PM

i was at work today and copped a bit of flack from some of the holden boys about the news from last night. my only responce? at least ford has a certain future..

its good to know ford are still going strong, around the world. i would put this down to alan mullaly and his strategy for managing ford. if falcon and mustang share a platform, im happy, i couldn't drive a fwd falcon.

4Vman · 13-01-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Yes but if you price it too high it wont sell either?

A mustang will allways be seen as a premium niche market vehicle in Australia, it will attract (and probably deserves) a price premium for that alone... It will have limited appeal because of its a coupe, some people will probably only buy it if its expensive....

naddis01 · 13-01-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Yes but if you price it too high it wont sell either?

And if both of those scenarios are the case then there is no business case for it.

Ghiadude · 13-01-2010, 10:59 PM

perhaps a seperate thread about mustang?....

kezzer · 13-01-2010, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

No point pricing it to sell if you loose money doing it......
Look at Holden...

You talking about the W427 yes?? If so HSV made a profit, I posted a link here a few months ago.

4Vman · 13-01-2010, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kezzer

You talking about the W427 yes?? If so HSV made a profit, I posted a link here a few months ago.

um.. no and no....

Iggypoppin' · 13-01-2010, 11:16 PM

haha....holden had to scale back the W427 kezzer because there weren't 427 idiots looking at buying one. i think the number was down around the 150 mark or thereabouts. holden made zero dollars on the W427, thats common knowledge.

kezzer · 13-01-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 76txcoupe

haha....holden had to scale back the W427 kezzer because there weren't 427 idiots looking at buying one. i think the number was down around the 150 mark or thereabouts. holden made zero dollars on the W427, thats common knowledge.

Yeh thats what I thought, till i read that article, ill find it again

EDIT

heres the thread

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11281344

S3SR · 13-01-2010, 11:42 PM

does this mean the Falcon coupe will return?

im happy if they delete the territory and ranger and release F trucks for the same price......... hell id sell the falcon instantly and get one

**SSD-85** · 13-01-2010, 11:47 PM

*sigh* this won't make headlines for obvious reasons. Various media need to protect their credibility <-- insert giant novelty quotation marks. Interestingly, the reports were touching on this yesterday, but no one wanted a bar of it. The death of the Falcon was a faaaar more exciting spin to put on it. I cant believe how much cr@p i put up with today at work, all in jest of course. But this article just proves how many are willing to either jump on the anti-ford bandwagon, or simply only listen to what theyre told instead of looking into it more. All in all, this is the best news ive heard since the 5.0L being dropped into our dear Falcon.

Brazen · 13-01-2010, 11:47 PM

So does this announcement mean that Falcon is becoming a world car, as per the OneFord policy?

Franco Cozzo · 13-01-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by S3SR

does this mean the Falcon coupe will return?

im happy if they delete the territory and ranger and release F trucks for the same price......... hell id sell the falcon instantly and get one

Hell yes, I can see myself driving an F150.

satria · 13-01-2010, 11:56 PM

i think it's funny how much negativity you hear about the falcon when it is holden who make cars that don't make a profit, need bailouts to stay alive and waste it on race teams that act like children. Yet, we have an awesome new v8 engine to look forward to in our falcon, an existing awesome i6 engine, a shared platform to look forward to with one of the greatest cars in history and a stable financial position.

I think people should cut ford some slack

I also think it's a great time to be a ford fan

Falc'man · 13-01-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

So does this announcement mean that Falcon is becoming a world car, as per the OneFord policy?

Y.E.S !!!

It's platform, a niche large RWD, will be shared by Mustang and Lincoln.

It's a global platform. But even better, this global platform's design will be spearheaded by Ford Australia.

As I remarked in the other "oh-my-God-the-sky-is-falling" thread, Ford Australia have proven themselves to be friggin good at building RWDs, and have won Fomoco's approval to build GRWD! Just like they've already been commissioned to build the GLOBAL T6.

Expect a slight reduction in size. More the size of BF than FG.

Expect a MASSIVE budget compared to what they've had to make do with in the past.

phillyc · 14-01-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Y.E.S !!!

It's platform, a niche large RWD, will be shared by Mustang and Lincoln.

It's a global platform. But even better, this global platform's design will be spearheaded by Ford Australia.

As I remarked in the other "oh-my-God-the-sky-is-falling" thread, Ford Australia have proven themselves to be friggin good at building RWDs, and have won Fomoco's approval to build GRWD! Just like they've already been commissioned to build the T6.

Expect a MASSIVE budget compared to what they've had to make do with in the past.

Some people need to look at the thread again. A further confirmation by a poster in the know confirmed it.

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Expect a slight reduction in size. More the size of BF than FG.

I'm quite happy for the Falcon to lose 100mm in length as long as overall space remains the same.

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Expect a MASSIVE budget compared to what they've had to make do with in the past.

This will make a 'dynamite' car an even better one!

Falc'man · 14-01-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Some people need to look at the thread again.

True. Sometimes I think we're dealing with goldfish

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Swordsman88 · 14-01-2010, 12:15 AM

Good news guys. So much for doom and gloom. My gut feeling was that those reports were totally off base. The continual rumours RE lincoln, GRWD and falcon/mustang have been flying for months and would not go away. How could they exist while at the same time Falcon go FWD?? Didn't make sense.

Now we know why don't we....

Brazen · 14-01-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Y.E.S !!!

It's platform, a niche large RWD, will be shared by Mustang and Lincoln.

It's a global platform. But even better, this global platform's design will be spearheaded by Ford Australia.

As I remarked in the other "oh-my-God-the-sky-is-falling" thread, Ford Australia have proven themselves to be friggin good at building RWDs, and have won Fomoco's approval to build GRWD! Just like they've already been commissioned to build the GLOBAL T6.

Expect a slight reduction in size. More the size of BF than FG.

Expect a MASSIVE budget compared to what they've had to make do with in the past.

This is great news, especially the reduction in size!

fourl6 · 14-01-2010, 12:22 AM

On Topic "Falcon and mustang to share Global RWD platform"
Global RWD Platform just isnt enough information what we need to know if the RWD platform is for the large car position (current falcon) or the performance car position (current mustang) so the real question is "Will the next RWD falcon/mustang be the large family car that the average family will buy?"

Kamshaaft · 14-01-2010, 12:26 AM

2010 GT Premium costs about $32k US from the factory, GT500 is $46k (don't forget that that's full price, they're already turning a healthy profit on that). They could ask anything they wanted, option them all up, and still turn a profit on that. Charge HSV prices for the sport models - topping out at about $80-85k for the GT500, imported limited numbers, individually numbered cars too (doesn't actually cost anything more on their end but makes them more collectable and saleable).

Do all that and it would be a -hot product.

Plus these all have 5 star NCAP crash ratings IIRC, even the convertibles, so they should fare well enough in ANCAP to get 4.5 stars or more.

I'd wait until the 2011 models come out though, chances are we'll get 2010 stock runout if this happened this year I reckon, but the 2010 models come with the new five-point-oh (like the Fox body days!).

Ghiadude · 14-01-2010, 12:26 AM

i would rather a slightly smaller falcon to be honest.
/flame suit on

**SSD-85** · 14-01-2010, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghiadude

i would rather a slightly smaller falcon to be honest.
/flame suit on

x2. Nothing wrong with that. Look at Project Blackwood. According to sales, everyone loved it. I know it was 30 years ago now, but its starting to look like the same trend in Australias tastes. The only thing keeping the Obese Astra afloat is handouts and public perception courtesy of Holdens' marketing department.