air conditioner gas to go up 220% june 30th ?

[V8XTasy]

aren't we all being compensated for these minor price increases? The government says we are, and there will be an ad campaign soon confirming this. Not only are we better off because of carbon tax, but increasing the price of aircon gas by 220% is also saving the world. (all said very sarcastically)

[ozpacman]

From the ABC News website today 05/07/2012.

Anyone who thinks that this will add only ten or 15 bucks to the cost of an air-con regas might be well advised to get a written quote before they jump in getting work done:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-0...s-slug/4111572

Cheers,

Russ

[Franco Cozzo]

Might be time for Hychil to break out the advertising, or there is probably going to be a lot of dodgy ****** using LPG.

[robertjp]

Just when I have a leak in my airconditioner

[MAD]

That's quite an increase.

[EDManual]

whats that a 1700% increase or something!!

So it will cost a LOT extra to refill your gas!

[EDManual]

if it was $25 for 1kg IN GAS BEFORE, now it will be $375!!!. Thats what it may mean!

[BHDOGS]

I just put my window down and sweat abit big deal

[TheSneakiness]

Was wondering if anyone had a regas done since the Julia tax came in, bloody climate control in the Paj needs looking at.

[mik]

it won`t be just the price of gas i suspect, it will also be the extra cost component(Carbon Tax) to deal with the old stuff.

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by fpvgtp

As the owner of a refrigeration & air conditioning company I can assure you that most refrigeration gasses will go up but to date we are not certian of the ammount but have been told to expect somewhere between $50 to $90 per kg depending on the refrigerant. Remember this is a tax that we, owners of companies,will have to pass on to customers & I have a copy of the ACCC 's info and will be able to show justification for the increase when I know what it will be & how it will be charged. Labor party at its best. My costs per service van are expected to increase by $3000.00 plus just for the refrigerant we carry to repair customers equipment multiply that by 12 vans, my service fleet, and come sit in my seat. Not to mention ythe additional costs to wholesalers. Sorry for pinching the thread but ****ed off at this tax and its implications to me and my company and to our customers. PM me if you want more info.

Im not questioning anyones integrity here but how can the price of this gas increase by up to $50.00 per KG when the tax on carbon is $23.00 per tonne or 1000 kg
there for the cost of the gas should only increase by 23 cents per KG

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And the ignorance continues.....

People are inherantly stupid it seems.

The ACCC announced this today:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-1...-hikes/4005218



If your dumb enough to believe that its a legitimate claim that something will go up 220% ... I have a bridge for sale....

ACCC? buch of gutless sellouts who would sell their own mothers if a corporation sent some cash their way.


was it AGL that was found to be price gouging and all they did was send them a letter?

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by J.C.

We either learn to live with it or revolt......................I don't think the later is an option either as they have taken our guns off us as well so we can't go shoot the bastards (maybe a board with a rusty nail in it will do the job), plus we are all to busy trying to make ends meet that we just don't have the time to run or be a part of a revolution.

tahrir square in egypt.

no guns. no food, government provocateurs trying to incite violence.

they got rid of a dictator, and now are about to rid themselves of the dictators army.

it's not that we are busy, it's that as a collective we are lazy. and governments know that.

[pottery beige]

the tax we had to have.. so said the ranga for all of us....

[Jim Goose]

According to one industry price list, the cost of popular commercial refrigerant R404A jumped $285 per kilo, an increase of more than 300 per cent in just a fortnight.

But a carbon price calculator provided by the Department of Environment shows the increase from the carbon price on R404A should be $75.

John Brent, chairman of farmer lobby group AUSVEG, says he does not know why the price has increased by so much.

Er umm..... price gougeing anyone?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-0...on-tax/4111770

Then you have that email from Brumbys bread to all the franchises:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-0...x-memo/4109424

One of Australia's largest bakery chains, Brumby's, has issued a public apology after encouraging franchisees to increase their prices and then "let the carbon tax take the blame".

So who is ripping off who?

(and again for the record im not a supporter of the carbon PRICE)

[Bossxr8]

However, a spokesman told AM that some price rises seem to be larger than what would be expected under the carbon tax.


Oh really. Just like everything else will be, and the paltry so called "compensation" will not cover companies from all over the place charging extra just because they can, meaning the compensation won't cover the increases, leaving us all out of pocket. This government is a joke.

[2011G6E]

Sure they're "compensating" for the price rises...just not everyone. Also, it's a fixed amount...sure, if you get told that X item is going up by $5, big deal...get told that a couple of hundred times a year of purchasing things, and it all adds up.
The stunt of going shopping the day after the tax came in was laughable, and fooled no one...everyone immediately said "But...you told us that companies couldn't charge more for items manufactured under the old regime...if Woolies had upped the prices on stock they had in stock, made before the carbon tax came in, they'd be prosecuted...it takes time to flow on".
Go back and shop again in six months and see what happens...

Refrigerant for air cons and fridges is another blatant con. We were told to go away from the old CFC gases as they were harmless to people, but bad for the environment, so go to the new gas which is peachy keen. Now the new gas is no good, though harmless to people as well.
One refrigeration expert on the ABC radio said that a great alternative would be ammonia for reliable refrigeration.

One small point...if the current air con or fridge gas leaks, no big deal, it's relatively harmless to people. But I can assure you from personal experience that if you are anywhere near a leak in a refrigeration system using ammonia, you will be a very sick boy indeed...if not dead in short order.
But hey, the environment comes first!! And taxes...always slap on a few taxes...that will fix things...

[Jim Goose]

People its not a tax.... its a permit to pollute basically.

Its not collected by the ATO.

The top 300 or so polluters have to buy a permit in order to pollute

The idea that refrigerant gas is going to go up 300% is a load of rubbish, unless they are pumping out more pollution then the combined total of all the other companies on the list.

Sorry i honestly dont believe big corporations who are on this top 300 list will do the right thing by the consumer

If the industry cant explain why its gone up 300% instantly then something doesnt smell right....

Yes things will go up... yes its a stupid idea... (the oppositions idea is even more stupider)... and eventually it will move to a carbon trading scheme in 3yrs? (whereby planting trees will save us all by getting carbon offsets)

Is there just ONE refrigerant company in Australia?
Or is there a few?
How much is it pumping out in pollution?

[ea90gl]

I received a letter the other week from a wholesaler giving a run down on the massive increase of refrigerants. I mainly deal with R410a, commonly used by many domestic air conditioning units, prices in june were around $28 per kilo - prices as of July will be $227 per kilo. Thought it was a misprint but the guy pn the phone assured me it's the real deal. Similar increase on R22(older refrigerant commonly used in domestic air conditioning). Thinking about carrying that letter around just so I don't get punched in the face when I tell a customer how much it will cost to re-gas their home A/C

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

People its not a tax.... its a permit to pollute basically.

Its not collected by the ATO.

The top 300 or so polluters have to buy a permit in order to pollute

The idea that refrigerant gas is going to go up 300% is a load of rubbish, unless they are pumping out more pollution then the combined total of all the other companies on the list.

Sorry i honestly dont believe big corporations who are on this top 300 list will do the right thing by the consumer

If the industry cant explain why its gone up 300% instantly then something doesnt smell right....

Yes things will go up... yes its a stupid idea... (the oppositions idea is even more stupider)... and eventually it will move to a carbon trading scheme in 3yrs? (whereby planting trees will save us all by getting carbon offsets)

Is there just ONE refrigerant company in Australia?
Or is there a few?
How much is it pumping out in pollution?

so taxes are also now called permits....

tax, duty, excise, levy, permit.. have i missed any.. same..

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

so taxes are also now called permits....

tax, duty, excise, levy, permit.. have i missed any.. same..

you forgot the "temporary refund adjustment"

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

so taxes are also now called permits....

tax, duty, excise, levy, permit.. have i missed any.. same..

The ATO doesnt collect the money....

Its the same when you renew your licence at the RTA.... that isnt a tax.
That is a fee.

The price is levied against pollution the company makes... it has nothing to do with money or profits the company makes.

[xtremerus]

Refrigerant gas will not be taxed at $23/T for the carbon content, but by its equivalant to CO2 pollution, which has the multiplier effect.
Pollutes X times more than CO2, so X times the tax rate.
Correct me if I am wrong.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

The ATO doesnt collect the money....

Its the same when you renew your licence at the RTA.... that isnt a tax.
That is a fee.

The price is levied against pollution the company makes... it has nothing to do with money or profits the company makes.

silly me i forgot the newly created green beaurocratic dept of bs will....

[Franco Cozzo]

I think the reason being the gas has a very high "green house rating", as in letting it into the atmosphere is the equivilent of a very high amount of carbon dioxide.

[robertjp]

get ready to eat those mungeans, cyrstals to obsorb natures enegies and buring cow dung for warmth, oh wait cows produce a lot of methane (a greenhouse gas) so that's out. Welcome to Australia the land of vegan's, greenies and new age watermellon's

[mik]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

People its not a tax.... its a permit to pollute basically.

Its not collected by the ATO.

The top 300 or so polluters have to buy a permit in order to pollute

The idea that refrigerant gas is going to go up 300% is a load of rubbish, unless they are pumping out more pollution then the combined total of all the other companies on the list.

Sorry i honestly dont believe big corporations who are on this top 300 list will do the right thing by the consumer

If the industry cant explain why its gone up 300% instantly then something doesnt smell right....

Yes things will go up... yes its a stupid idea... (the oppositions idea is even more stupider)... and eventually it will move to a carbon trading scheme in 3yrs? (whereby planting trees will save us all by getting carbon offsets)

Is there just ONE refrigerant company in Australia?
Or is there a few?
How much is it pumping out in pollution?

it might as well be a tax, those on the list will have to put their prices up to stay in business, and the next consumer down the line will pay, and the next and the next and the next, just about no one gets away without paying.

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by xtremerus

Refrigerant gas will not be taxed at $23/T for the carbon content, but by its equivalant to CO2 pollution, which has the multiplier effect.
Pollutes X times more than CO2, so X times the tax rate.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Yes you are right it's based on the amount of carbon the gas produces
So does any one know how much carbon refrigerant gas produces per kg (no doubt this will vary depending on the gas )

Also how is the carbon released into he atmosphere is it when it is produced because I don't think I the gas is allowed to be spent into the atmosphere... well not in Victoria

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

The ACCC announced this today:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-1...-hikes/4005218

The ACCC announced this in 2007:
"On 15 June 2007 the then Treasurer approved the holding of a price inquiry by the ACCC into the price of unleaded petrol, pursuant to section 95H(2) of Part VIIA of the Trade Practices Act 1974 (the Act)."

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.../itemId/806216

Yeah right!

[KIWI-1]

See http://fallonservices.com/latest-new...es-to-increase