Ford Announces New Engine Direction - Page 4

bob^ · 18-07-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

THIS SUX SUX SUX SUX !!!!!!!! bye bye australian skilled work force. trades and skills are dyeing , america owns everything including technology, which is also outsourced to japan and china . leaving australians working on road repairs and mining and houses . essential services only for 3rd world AUSTRALIANS !!!!!!!!!!!! get your TAXI LICENCE NOW !!!!!!

Did you forget that Ford is 100% an American company?

SirHenry · 18-07-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bob^

Did you forget that Ford is 100% an American company?

Ford might be an American company but it has been building cars in Australia and employing Australians for many many years it has been a part of Australian life. Geelong FC and Ford hold the longest sponorship record in the world. What a kick to the teeth to the people of Geelong and Australia.

outback_ute · 18-07-2007, 05:49 PM

This is a real shame on many levels but it is not the end of the world. One of the Falcon's cornerstone elements - the big, lazy, torquey 6cyl - gone however the coming V6 should pick up the baton well. It was inevitable really, Ford globally is in too poor a position to continue with the luxury of developing a boutique engine for tiny build quantities. I don't think it will be the end of the gas engine either, perhaps that is an area where Ford Aus can pick up and create new opportunities. The engine line will close, but Ford is currently expanding the Geelong factory and they won't leave the space empty.

gtfpv · 18-07-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bob^

Did you forget that Ford is 100% an American company?

no , but should australia bendover and take it, as usual, most australians these days defend corporate decisions , at there own peril, in any area, to the point where australians now have no identity.
i simply sated that this sux, and is another strike against australian skills , and people srtraight away start defending imports, and start accusing ourselves of being whingers and not working hard enough. !!!! perhaps a pay cut to us is in order hey!!!!

ClevlndStemer · 18-07-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

HERE WE GO , ANOTHER BRIGHT EYED SCHOOL LEAVER!!

Excuse me? What is your problem?? If you have something to say it, don't be a smart *** about it.

gtfpv · 18-07-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

Excuse me? What is your problem?? If you have something to say it, don't be a smart *** about it.

UMMMM !!!! read my few previous posts here .

**Falcon Coupe** · 18-07-2007, 05:58 PM

Personal issues belong in PM.
This is a huge topic for the forum so keep it civil please.

Van D · 18-07-2007, 05:59 PM

End of an era ey. The news kinda sucks I think, not just for the I6 but for the workers and history of the falc.

I just hope that they don't stop at importing the Duratec.. A diesel and some of the other engines (especially bigger ones) would be nice to have if that's the way we're going.

Why did we never export the Barra I6?

Perana · 18-07-2007, 06:00 PM

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HERE WE GO , ANOTHER BRIGHT EYED SCHOOL LEAVER!!

Jeez... Give the capitals a rest..

Deanodriver · 18-07-2007, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bob^

Did you forget that Ford is 100% an American company?

Not to mention that the 380 and Aurion also use imported engines (IIRC), and the Alloytec is basically a foreign engine made here anyway.

The rest of the Falcon will remain locally made anyway.

gtfpv · 18-07-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Personal issues belong in PM.
This is a huge topic for the forum so keep it civil please.

agreed. i do think it will be a sad day, when the australian i6 is gone though, especially as it was one engine that kicked all the others. it is something to be very proud of, and it is ashame ford couldn't replace it with another australian engine . so in a way i think this isn't too far off topic.
i'm dissapopinted by fords decision.

FORD3V · 18-07-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

no , but should australia bendover and take it, as usual, most australians these days defend corporate decisions , at there own peril, in any area, to the point where australians now have no identity.
i simply sated that this sux, and is another strike against australian skills , and people srtraight away start defending imports, and start accusing ourselves of being whingers and not working hard enough. !!!! perhaps a pay cut to us is in order hey!!!!

Your spot on, corporate australia,big business etc are the enemy of 90% of australia's population,yet people are so quick to rubbish your average working class individual in defence of big business.

Yes i no we need big business,but we dont need pricks being paid 10 000 dollars an hour at the exspence of ordinary working australians.

Lets sack 12 thousand telstra worker's and then give the ceo's another pay rise, because 10 mil per annum just aint cutting it.........

XR8Master · 18-07-2007, 06:06 PM

Does anyone know wot a Alcon is ?

its a cross between America and a Falcon

Its a shame to see a car which has so much heritage turn into a foreign product.

I know of people (personally) who have changed over from Holden to Ford and bought a XR6T because of how (Australian) it actually is

Not anymore.

crannersEL · 18-07-2007, 06:07 PM

A protest to show the support for ford could be organised, just thinking about the number of Fords that would show up would be amazing!

bingoTE50 · 18-07-2007, 06:08 PM

Hopefully ford will put some more technology into the v8 as well. Maybe introduce Chryslers system of dropping out cylinders when cruising , help with economy ,but still have grunt when you need it . I suppose this would be applicable to the v6 .
I would look at a v6 turbo diesel for sure , as long the price premium was not too high .
Plenty of grunt with a 6 spd or cvt .. and 5l/100 on a trip !!!
The workers hopefully will be absorbed , because we are going to support the brand are we not ! or is the passion that we display for the product is only applicable to kw and torque figures... Surely not ..

Donut King · 18-07-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

no , but should australia bendover and take it, as usual, most australians these days defend corporate decisions , at there own peril, in any area, to the point where australians now have no identity.
i simply sated that this sux, and is another strike against australian skills , and people srtraight away start defending imports, and start accusing ourselves of being whingers and not working hard enough. !!!! perhaps a pay cut to us is in order hey!!!!

So which would you rather, a falcon which is competitive on a global scale, or that Ford shuts up shop tomorrow because the car costs more to make than can be met by sales volumes because it uses an oprhaned engine cos nostalgia says thats the way it should be?

FORD3V · 18-07-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8Master

*Edit off topic*

Your a brainwashed right winger, who bends over and takes whatever the government tells him.

Which company are you ceo of?

HOON69 · 18-07-2007, 06:13 PM

RIP I6
i dont agree with their decision
but i guess its time to move on.

Perana · 18-07-2007, 06:15 PM

Wow i was waiting for some moron to bring politics into this well done....

Paxton · 18-07-2007, 06:16 PM

I am nonplussed. Ford are chopping off an arm to save the patient. The Falcon might be loosing the I6, however it is staying Australian Made, Australian Engineered for Australian conditions. It won't be American made, except for the Engine. Geelong isn't closing down, and chances are, all 600 workers will be re-deployed and if another product is implemented into the network, or if Ford get the extra work they are expecting.

XR8Master, Did Holden care about Heritage when the Red/Blue engines were discontinued? What about their 308 was killed off? They didn't have the backlash that Ford are. Chrysler replaced the Valiant with the Sigma, with the Magna. Their fans didn't complain about Legacy. Ford are trying to save Falcon (and export it).

I will buy another Falcon (probably a Territory). The engine is only part of how complete a package the Falcon is. I will buy for the Dynamics, and the Fact that there isn't another RWD/AWD car that I can afford/want.

andrewts · 18-07-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Donut King

So which would you rather, a falcon which is competitive on a global scale, or that Ford shuts up shop tomorrow because the car costs more to make than can be met by sales volumes because it uses an oprhaned engine cos nostalgia says thats the way it should be?

I think this is a great point. If we love the Falcon, we'd want to see it do well everywhere, and continue for many years, and if a V6 is the way to go then so be it! Times change, and we need to move forward, instead of living in the past! The I6 has had it's time, it was great, and we shall have respect for it for a long time, without question.

Bring on the bent six!

Xitdxr · 18-07-2007, 06:19 PM

Well, im a little sad but also a little excited. Im sad cause 600 people will lose there current jobs, but on the other hand, they have 2 - 3 years to do something about it. Im really sad cause its the end of the I6, which i personally love.

But, as has been stated, Ford is a business, and sometimes for a business to grow, you have to cut things in another area. I am excited to see how ford grows from here, and to see what becomes available to us further down the track.

zk_dazza · 18-07-2007, 06:20 PM

hey maybe this is then end of blown head gaskets being a common thing to fix

a shame to see them go but as long as these new motors are imporovement on performance and economy....why not?
i will miss working on i6's though, they're just sooooo easy

FPV8U · 18-07-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

Ok sure it is bad and yes they have every right to be angry
BUT
unlike many others who lose their jobs or are relocated these people have 3 years notice, a lot can happen in 3 years. Instead of moping around whining and complaining, use the time productively to find another job. The problem with this country is too many people want the best in life but are not prepared to work for it then have the audacity to complain when they lose their job.

Couldn't agree more, work is out there if you actually want it, but for too many those jobs are too far away or too hard to get, give it crack FFS.

Perfect example is my brother, just got off the phone from him, a few months back i drove him up to benalla and southern NSW for a job interview, it took some effort but he put his best foot forward and gave it a crack and guess what he got it, he's going to be on over 60K a year straight out of Uni.

These people have 3 years notice, whats the problem?

bingoTE50 · 18-07-2007, 06:25 PM

[QUOTE=zk_dazza]hey maybe this is then end of blown head gaskets being a common thing to fix

Glad you said it and not me.... personally I support your comment.. Owned 3 E series , 3 blown head gaskets... The first AU I bought , it was a v8 one tonner. In saying this I had 3 BA's , and the engines were fine ,but electronics were a issue ..( on all of 3 them)

irlewy86 · 18-07-2007, 06:25 PM

The I6 disappears, just like the V8 did once. All that is old is new again and the I6 will return one day.

**Fordman1** · 18-07-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deanodriver

and the Alloytec is basically a foreign engine made here anyway.

Assembled from imported components !!

Full Spectrum · 18-07-2007, 06:26 PM

A V6 is not the end of the world, As long as there is a car to stick a engine in that's all that matters.. Some day down the round i'm sure Ford Oz might be building them here.

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Assembled from imported components !!

It's a little more then that

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gtfpv · 18-07-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewts

I think this is a great point. If we love the Falcon, we'd want to see it do well everywhere, and continue for many years, and if a V6 is the way to go then so be it! Times change, and we need to move forward, instead of living in the past! The I6 has had it's time, it was great, and we shall have respect for it for a long time, without question.

Bring on the bent six!

and why cant australia do that, are we saying that the i6 is old technology, and we arent capable of making better. this is the theme you seem to be pointing too.

CAMS290 · 18-07-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

This is a huge change, Ford has always had an I6 Falcon since before i was born ! (am i dreaming ?)

Hopefully there will be a significant torque increase before the Duratec is released in a Falcon.
IMO if the torque advantage is gone the Falcon will become another average V6 sedan to blend in with all the others.

I hope the new V6 will have that inherent "off idle" grunt that the I6 is so famous for, and the legendary durability that has become a favourite of taxi operators all over Australia.

Oh and did i mention the towing ability too ?