VFacts Jan 2012 Falcon 950 sales!!!!!!!!!

[Nic85]

1TUFFUTE, I've seen you convey that sentiment in a couple different threads now, and after seeing that article above, I'm inclined to agree with you. It beggers belief that the Captiva and Barina can sell so many cars when they're probably the worst 2 cars in their respective segments. Likewise Colorado is probably amongst the worst utes in the category.

Cruze is commendable to a point. I've read a lot of reviews lately on Cruze, hatch and sedan, and they mostly come back with the verdict of, "It's okay." They all say the diesel is laggy and unrefined, but the 1.4 turbo petrol is refined, but lacking in power. Looking at the Cruze segment though, it's really only Mazda 3 and Toyota Corolla to compete with. Mitsubishi hasn't updated the Lancer since 2008, and doesn't look like they're going to until the new Lancer comes next year.

Sorry, I know this is off topic, but I think the topic at hand has been covered with the fact that January is a slow month and we all knew Falcon sales would be bad this month with the combination of hail damaged cars and FG2 coming.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Looking at the new adds on TV with Ford plugging the new Focus and Fiesta with the slogan "Small is here" , I'd say that is where they see the future, not with the Falcon.............

Small is here. It is the reality. Ford CEO has also said we will continue to compete in the large car segment both in Australia and globally.

As for the months sales. January is never a good month for the local heroes. We also know that substantial amounts of Falcon stock were damaged by hail. A few weeks back. My local dealer had barely any Falcons in fact I think they were all FPVs.

FG2 Falcon and SZ Territory are produced pretty much 1 for 1 now. The Broadmeadows plant is running a full month with no down days, the engine plant is building plenty of EcoLPi engines too. February will likely see 4,000 sales between the locally produced Fords.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Looking at the new adds on TV with Ford plugging the new Focus and Fiesta with the slogan "Small is here" , I'd say that is where they see the future, not with the Falcon.............

That's the key, Focus sales have revived since they started the Titanium and Ambiente advertising campaigns.
At the same time, Falcon and Mondeo sales have nosedived since Ford reverted to word of mouth...

Mind you, the only way Holden can get sales is by offering huge discounts on 2012 SV6 - $36,990 drive away.
Even at that, they only scored around 2,000 odd last month..

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That's the key, Focus sales have revived since they started the Titanium and Ambiente advertising campaigns.
At the same time, Falcon and Mondeo sales have nosedived since Ford reverted to word of mouth...

Mind you, the only way Holden can get sales is by offering huge discounts on 2012 SV6 - $36,990 drive away.
Even at that, they only scored around 2,000 odd last month..

the ad states 2011 plated stock, both holden and ford are running these ad's

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

the ad states 2011 plated stock, both holden and ford are running these ad's

Listen closely, Holden compares two SV6s and says that the 2011 plates are $1,000 less at $35,990 drive away......
If i was a Holden buyer, I'd be getting the 2012 plate SV6 for $36,990 drive away, better resale value.

I have not seen a Falcon ad lately, have you?

Some Vic dealers will be selling repaired (hail damaged) FGIIs for $32,990 drive away...
I wonder if Ford claims losses on insurances or just writes them of at slightly better than fleet prices...

[stevz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Listen closely, Holden compares two SV6s the 2011 plates are $1,000 less at $35,990 drive away......
If i was a Holden buyer, I'd be getting the 2012 plate SV6 for $36,990 drive away, better resale value.

I have not seen a Falcon ad lately, have you?

There was a full page ad in Friday's Herald Sun showing 2012 FG2 XR6 for $36,990 drive away. There are 2012 builds on carsales advertised for $35,990.
I think your notion of Ford selling Falcons for full RRP is nothing more than a myth.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Listen closely, Holden compares two SV6s cruze and says that the 2011 plates are $1,000 less at $22,990 drive away......
If i was a Holden buyer, I'd be getting the 2012 plate SV6 for $35,990 drive away, better resale value.

I have not seen a Falcon ad lately, have you?

Some Vic dealers will be selling repaired (hail damaged) FGII for $32,990 drive away...

fixed it for you!!

only the 2011 ad for commo is 3000 cheaper..
dont confuse the "cruze" ad's

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by burnz

fixed it for you!!

only the 2011 ad for commo is 3000 cheaper..
dont confuse the "cruze" ad's

It's actually on Holden's website...

http://www.holden.com.au/latestoffer...-commodore-sv6

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by stevz

There was a full page ad in Friday's Herald Sun showing 2012 FG2 XR6 for $36,990 drive away. There are 2012 builds on carsales advertised for $35,990.
I think your notion of Ford selling Falcons for full RRP is nothing more than a myth.

I'll admit that there are roughly 30 car on carsales link with that price...

I'm not convinced of widespread discounting of all stock to $36,990 drive away.. not at the moment anyway..

Check the fine print and I think you'll find that its limited numbers...

and there were no such offers for 2012 Falcon in January

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Nic85

It's actually on Holden's website...

http://www.holden.com.au/latestoffer...-commodore-sv6

exactly commo is around $7,000 cheaper for a 2011 plate..normally list as $42,000
while cruze is $1,000 cheaper..

id say the cruze has a tight margin where the commo has room to move.
http://www.holden.com.au/latestoffers

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

exactly commo is around $7,000 cheaper for a 2011 plate..
while cruze is $1,000 cheaper..

id say the cruze has a tight margin where the commo has room to move.

I recon Commodore sales will jump back to 3600 this month, those deals will attract buyers..
Ford, I'm not so sure of as it may not be the price that's a problem, just getting people to buy
that aren't fleet custoners... we'll see.

That tight margin on Cruze is what's causing Holden all kinds of grief,
if they increase price, sales will drop but not necessarily increasing Commodore sales....

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Looking at the new adds on TV with Ford plugging the new Focus and Fiesta with the slogan "Small is here" , I'd say that is where they see the future, not with the Falcon.............

100% correct - just like video recorders, CRT televisions and fax machines, big rwd cars are headed for death. That is why Ford are advertising the Focus - people want to buy a car in that sector ....not many want to buy a Falcon.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

fixed it for you!!

only the 2011 ad for commo is 3000 cheaper..
dont confuse the "cruze" ad's

Huh?
It's exactly as I said, right form the Holden web site:

2011 plated SV6 Series II Commodore.....$35,990 drive Away .LINK

Bonus Park Assist and Rear view camera..

$1,000 less than 2012-plated!
210kW SIDI Direct Injection V6 engine
Dual-zone climate control
Touch-screen Holden-iQ System
Enhanced Bluetooth®'
USB and iPOD® compatibility˜
CD Ripping (15 CDs)
18" alloy wheels#

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by burnz

exactly commo is around $7,000 cheaper for a 2011 plate..normally list as $42,000
while cruze is $1,000 cheaper..

id say the cruze has a tight margin where the commo has room to move.
http://www.holden.com.au/latestoffers

I don't think I'm confused here... The website says, as mentioned above me, $35,990 driveaway, $1,000 cheaper than 2012 plated cars. Meaning 2012 plated cars would be $36,990 driveaway. Where does it mention anything about $42k and $7k cheaper? Other than maybe Carsales list price?

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Nic85

I don't think I'm confused here... The website says, as mentioned above me, $35,990 driveaway, $1,000 cheaper than 2012 plated cars. Meaning 2012 plated cars would be $36,990 driveaway. Where does it mention anything about $42k and $7k cheaper? Other than maybe Carsales list price?

the list price of an SV6 has allways been $38k~$42k, maybe a mistake on holden website..

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=5&eapi=2

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...ord_falcon_xr6

[Nic85]

Could just be that Carsales (Redbook, same thing) and Carsguide are not updated frequently enough.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Could just be that Carsales (Redbook, same thing) and Carsguide are not updated frequently enough.

But they do say 2012 plate FG II XR6s, so there are a few around but clearly not the same
As Holden's comprehensive discounting, not at the moment but will Ford be forced to follow them?

The rules may be changing for Falcon and Commodore if sales and justification of local production is at stake...
All eyes are on both of them to prove that investing in next gen big cars is warranted..

[Nic85]

Fair point too. If heavy discounting is needed to move either Falcon or Commodore, it's going to be hard to justify the proposal of more money from the government to build cars that no one is buying anymore.

Kinda lends more credence to the argument that the respective manufacturers need to concentrate more on building cars in Australia, that Australians want to buy if they want to keep Australians in jobs.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

the list price of an SV6 has allways been $38k~$42k, maybe a mistake on holden website..

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=5&eapi=2

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...ord_falcon_xr6

It's no mistake, Holden is after volume sales in February

Ford Austraila website now has 2012 Ambiente for $20,990 drive away, that's good news as
Ford needs to keep pressing on with Ambiente and RWD petrol Territory for $39,990 drive away

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Fair point too. If heavy discounting is needed to move either Falcon or Commodore, it's going to be hard to justify the proposal of more money from the government to build cars that no one is buying anymore.

Kinda lends more credence to the argument that the respective manufacturers need to concentrate more on building cars in Australia, that Australians want to buy if they want to keep Australians in jobs.

Ford doesn't have a lot of stock, some but not excessive
while Holden is pruning production to shrink its inventory.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's no mistake, Holden is after volume sales in February

Ford Austraila website now has 2012 Ambiente for $20,990 drive away, that's good news as
Ford needs to keep pressing on with Ambiente and RWD petrol Territory for $39,990 drive away

yes holden want to move 2011 plate cars..

the mistake i was refering to was $1,000 cheaper than 2012 stock commo..

[Joe5619]

I'm still not convicted anyone is buying a std XR6 for anything more than 37K or maybe 38K. This is the stand price for an std XR6. Has been for years now!!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by burnz

yes holden want to move 2011 plate cars..

the mistake i was refering to was $1,000 cheaper than 2012 stock commo..

But is it a mistake?
It's more likely that Holden has quite a lot of stock to shift and let's face it, that price is still way better than fleet deals..

Burnz,
I'm not saying that Ford won't follow them but until we see specials on 2012 XR6 stock
on the FoA website, it's safe to assume this is dealers shifting limited XR6s with Ford's approval

The real deals will be when the $5,000 lux pack is thrown in for free and $36,990 drive away...

[Nic85]

It's going to be hard for both sides of the camp to turn around and ask customers to cough up $43k + onroads for an SV6/XR6 after they've been running them out at $36k and less for the last 6 months or so.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Nic85

It's going to be hard for both sides of the camp to turn around and ask customers to cough up $43k + onroads for an SV6/XR6 after they've been running them out at $36k and less for the last 6 months or so.

The funny thing is that Ford and Holden made their large cars bigger to protect the pricing policy.
I think that idea is now out the window and both need a global platform of sorts to control costs.


The ideal cars to build in Austraila would be Midsized Car- Large car- Mid Sized SUV all on closely related platforms.
That way, both manufacturers get a cut of markets with good pricing and reasonable sales..

[Nic85]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The funny thing is that Ford and Holden made their large cars bigger to protect the pricing policy.
I think that idea is now out the window and both need a global platform of sorts to control costs.


The ideal cars to build in Austraila would be Torana-Commodore- Mid Sized SUV
and "Cortina-Falcon-Territory or Fusion-Taurus-Explorer

Now, more than ever, this is extremely obvious, and paramount for the saving of Australian production.

I don't have any allegiance to either brand, but I really feel Holden with the Commodore will struggle more than Ford with the Falcon this year due to Falcon's EB4 and EcoLPI . Commodore doesn't seem to be bringing any new tech to the table? I just hope both sides sort it out before Australian jobs are lost to Asian countries.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Nic85

Now, more than ever, this is extremely obvious, and paramount for the saving of Australian production.

I don't have any allegiance to either brand, but I really feel Holden with the Commodore will struggle more than Ford with the Falcon this year due to Falcon's EB4 and EcoLPI . Commodore doesn't seem to be bringing any new tech to the table? I just hope both sides sort it out before Australian jobs are lost to Asian countries.

I only hope that fuel prices don't spike this year, Holden sells about 11,000 V8s a year and tightening
fuel costs could spell real problems for them, both manufacturers need a little luck to fall their way..

SS Series II Commodore, 2012 plate...$42,990 drive away, 2011 plate is $41,990 drive away.
Series II International with leather trim, $34,990 drive away

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I only hope that fuel prices don't spike this year, Holden sells about 11,000 V8s a year and tightening
fuel costs could spell real problems for them, both manufacturers need a little luck to fall their way..

SS Series II Commodore, 2012 plate...$42,990 drive away, 2011 plate is $41,990 drive away.
Series II International with leather trim, $34,990 drive away

It's the v6 commodores which are affected by the fuel price not the v8s. Great time to be buying falcon xr6 with leather 31990. Xr6 turbo 34990

[uranium_death]

If I had a family, I would look at a Territory before I get a Falcon.

The large sedan is no longer the choice of vehicle for a family.

That is why I simply do not think manufacturing in Australia is sustainable. Despite Ford having a great product in the Falcon, private buyers simply do not see it that way - for some reason they prefer to flock to the Cruze - despite it being inferior to many other offerings out there...

The fact that the Mazda 3 was the best selling car last year shows that the market has moved a long way from a decade ago.

Holden also cannot rely on the Cruze solely to justify manufacturing here.

For now, Thailand seems to be where the future lies...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Brazen

It's the v6 commodores which are affected by the fuel price not the v8s. Great time to be buying falcon xr6 with leather 31990. Xr6 turbo 34990

Remnant stock, try walking into a dealer and getting one, I have a feeling that you'll struggle
because Ford has been building FG II since mid November and all previous FG stock was built to order..


Someone is watching us, there's a change on FoA website, XR6 Series II has just gone up at $36,990 drive away

OK Burnz, you're right..

Guess the honeymoon is now ove for FG II, let the games begin..

Hey,
Territory RWD Petrol.........$39,990 drive away...
Territory RWD DIESEL.........$43,240 drive away...

That will get sales going all right.