Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon? - Page 18

bad moon rising · 30-01-2012, 08:24 PM

it all seems to be getting a bit off topic.
maybe someone should start a rwd vs awd vs fwd thread.

the 3 main reasons people dont buy the falcon are in my personal opinion

1- the build quality isnt there, yes i know they will do 500,000+km but they constantly wear out diff bushes, door actuator, him modules, rose joint, shock bushes etc etc and dont get me started on rattles

2- people dont want a car thats immediatly related to a taxi, it make them seem cheap and lower class, sure a g6e or fpv are nice but at the end of the day they are a tarted up taxi

3- initial purchase price and resale value, why pay 40k for an xr6 when 2 years late youl be lucky to get 15k on trade in.

this is just my opinion. try not to flame me. im a ford fan as well but i reckon ford australia need to support us more if they want us to support them.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bad moon rising

it all seems to be getting a bit off topic.
maybe someone should start a rwd vs awd vs fwd thread.

the 3 main reasons people dont buy the falcon are in my personal opinion

1- the build quality isnt there, yes i know they will do 500,000+km but they constantly wear out diff bushes, door actuator, him modules, rose joint, shock bushes etc etc and dont get me started on rattles

2- people dont want a car thats immediatly related to a taxi, it make them seem cheap and lower class, sure a g6e or fpv are nice but at the end of the day they are a tarted up taxi

3- initial purchase price and resale value, why pay 40k for an xr6 when 2 years late youl be lucky to get 15k on trade in.

this is just my opinion. try not to flame me. im a ford fan as well but i reckon ford australia need to support us more if they want us to support them.

1. That is true of any manufacturer. There is always room for improvement. But using high quality parts would relate to your point 3. Haven't noticed the rattling in the later versions.

2. Well with no more Taxi Pack.... Ford is working on it. The new styling updates should help more too.

3. How about 25k for an around four/five year old Beemer that cost over 120k? I agree that buying into a Falcon is an investment. 50k+ for a delivered XR6 LPi Falcon Mk II with luxo pack. Why does EcoLPi cost a whole extra grand just for XR6?

Ford could meet buyers in the middle.

Joe5619 · 30-01-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

How is that the most important bit of tech?
Touch screen aside, the tech in a falcon isnt even near the same as mondeo but its getting there though.

Ask Apple Inc why!!!

Ask any Gen Y if they'd pick touch screen over the other crap the mondeo has.. They'll pick touch screen everytime!!!

cholly · 30-01-2012, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

All of which are small cars.

Nice direct steering with good feel?

i own an xr4, which is much smaller than the xr5, and i have no issues at all parking, the turning circle again is not the best, but i also disagree with your steering theory, i have owned this car and the newest fiesta, and also an older barina GSi, all different categories of fwd, and none of them have had any sense of "disconnected" steering

and i have also owned a crummydore, and i have to admit i have more fun in the fwd, but then again its all opinionated, on what a person favors, i enjoy fwd for the twisties and handling and hills, where as u would like the rwd for drift or drag... the boring stuff imo

no one buys falcons cause they depreciate in value too much

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cholly

and i have also owned a crummydore, and i have to admit i have more fun in the fwd, but then again its all opinionated, on what a person favors, i enjoy fwd for the twisties and handling and hills, where as u would like the rwd for drift or drag... the boring stuff imo

I will concede with Crummydore. My brother sold his VS and the steering felt elastic.

But I would buy a RWD for the "twisties and handling and hills". Not for drifts and drag.... you've lost perspective there.

cholly · 30-01-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

I will concede with Crummydore. My brother sold his VS and the steering felt elastic.

But I would buy a RWD for the "twisties and handling and hills". Not for drifts and drag.... you've lost perspective there.

well bring ur falcon up to the hills, bet u cant go as fast around the bents as my xr4, like the last falcon that attemted to outrun us in the hills, ended up running off the cliff, so i guess he felt the "disconnected" steering?

and being it said, that most perspective drift and drag people always choose rwd, hence no lost perspective

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cholly

well bring ur falcon up to the hills, bet u cant go as fast around the bents as my xr4, like the last falcon that attemted to outrun us in the hills, ended up running off the cliff, so i guess he felt the "disconnected" steering?

and being it said, that most perspective drift and drag people always choose rwd, hence no lost perspective

That's because it's the only drivetrain layout suited to the task... but not limited to.

Not surprised someone trying to keep up in a much heavier car "ran off the cliff". Neither of you were professional or even amateur racing drivers.

But let's drop this subject as it's not entirely related to the thread other than FWD for a large car is complete nonsense.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

But let's drop this subject as it's not entirely related to the thread other than FWD for a large car is complete nonsense.

No.
You have no idea what a decent FWD car is like so until you see what they are like your opinion is null and void. Simple.
Small FWD cars are a BIG reason why the Falcon doesnt sell.

Edit- Im not saying my XR5 is faultless either before people say i hate the Falcon, id love to see it survive but i wont buy one as i dont need it.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

No.
You have no idea what a decent FWD car is like so until you see what they are like your opinion is null and void. Simple.
Small FWD cars are a BIG reason why the Falcon doesnt sell.

You just said Small FWD. The key word there being Small.

Are you trolling? Is it appropriate for a mod to troll?

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

You just said Small FWD. The key word there being Small.

Are you trolling? Is it appropriate for a mod to troll?

Nope im not, im stating my opinion with experience to back it up.

Also i think the definition of small has changed, compared to what it was 10 years ago.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Also i think the definition of small has changed, compared to what it was 10 years ago.

Yes it has... and the large has grown too. Think about that. Think about an almost two metre wide Taurus E segment car.

cholly · 30-01-2012, 10:26 PM

i have found that the falcon has gotten smaller over the years... not bigger

EvilNemo · 30-01-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cholly

i have found that the falcon has gotten smaller over the years... not bigger

You are right they have gotten smaller.. Well in my opinion that have anyway. I used to own an EB Foulcan and the later models feel smaller inside look smaller outside but have beefier gaurds to try to make it look like it is bigger without actually being bigger. JMHO

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 10:41 PM

Breathing in and breathing out is a full time occupation for you isn't in EvilNemo?

EvilNemo · 30-01-2012, 10:42 PM

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Breathing in and breathing out is a full time occupation for you isn't in EvilNemo?

No it is just something I do to kill the time

cholly · 30-01-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNemo

No it is just something I do to kill the time

i find the breathing out part is the most relaxing

EvilNemo · 30-01-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cholly

i find the breathing out part is the most relaxing

I find that it takes up too much of my day. When I breath less I get more done...

cholly · 30-01-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilNemo

I find that it takes up too much of my day. When I breath less I get more done...

this is true, you could be doin very important errands

falconnut · 30-01-2012, 10:50 PM

The depression since 2008 isnt helping either.

leonbray · 30-01-2012, 10:51 PM

We recently went shopping for a replacement for my wife's FWD 4 door

Drove a whole bunch of stuff, including Euro, Japanese and Korean. You can't tell the difference between FWD and RWD until you get into it and the torque steer is still there.

Euros have fantastic engineering and quality and so does Kia (Wouldn't have said that a couple of years back)

Ended up with a 1 year old G6 - because it was better value than all of them, felt as solid as most of the Euros (except MB), had heaps of go and has a great ride. Couldn't go past it at $23K

Found the Mondeo didn't offer anything over the Falcon, and was more difficult to see out of, Focus has heaps of room but ride was a bit jittery, BMW 3 on runflats has horrible ride and 1 series is smaller than Focus. The two that surprised me were Kia Sportage and Kia Optima - but engines lacked torque.

I think there is a perception, fueled by our illinformed media, that the Falcon is big is thirsty and it is going to cost a lot more to run - which hasn't been proven to be true in NRMA cost of ownership surveys. Maybe the injected LPG Falcon will change that perception, but I think it is probably too late

cholly · 30-01-2012, 10:54 PM

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Ended up with a 1 year old G6 - because it was better value than all of them, felt as solid as most of the Euros (except MB), had heaps of go and has a great ride. Couldn't go past it at $23K

thats exactly why noone is buying it, how much are they brand new? 50k??? u get a 1 year old one and its less than half price...

Fireblade · 30-01-2012, 10:56 PM

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Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how ironic it is that this forum is populated mostly by RWD bogans yet the logo of the forum contains 2 Fiestas... It is the way of the future even the Admin know it...

(By Mostly RWD Bogan I know you are not all Bogans but there are a hell of a lot of you)

Funny, I got 2 Clevo V8's in my banner. I may be a RWD bogan but I'm no FWD ***

leonbray · 30-01-2012, 10:56 PM

Ford US explained a while back why they are going FWD internationally

lower cost of manufacture
more parts sharing
easier to meet fuel consumption goals

There was no mention of driveability or the pleasure of the driving experience

leonbray · 30-01-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cholly

thats exactly why noone is buying it, how much are they brand new? 50k??? u get a 1 year old one and its less than half price...

Fleet price on a G6 is $32K - GST exempt

EvilNemo · 30-01-2012, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by leonbray

Ford US explained a while back why they are going FWD internationally

lower cost of manufacture
more parts sharing
easier to meet fuel consumption goals

There was no mention of driveability or the pleasure of the driving experience

Well lets start talking about driveability and driving pleasure then shall we... Or better yet lets take it to the track and see what has better driveability...

cholly · 30-01-2012, 10:59 PM

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Fleet price on a G6 is $32K - GST exempt

yes and how much for a normal person who cant get the fleet price?

leonbray · 30-01-2012, 11:00 PM

..........

leonbray · 30-01-2012, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cholly

yes and how much for a normal person who cant get the fleet price?

No idea - look up Wheels or Modern Motor. My comparison of options was all based on fleet discount.

Over 50% of Commodore and Falcon sales are fleet

Auslandau · 30-01-2012, 11:05 PM

I would be quitting the off topic chat ....... will not spend the time deleting crap that has nothing to do with the Topic but will just delete those that would rather bang on about their own opinion without listening to others.

Getting really childish and some really pathetic arguments .......

Thanks .... Signed: The local Forum Bogan

Now back to topic ..... which isn't JUST a FWD vs RWD discussion and mine is better than yours.

falconnut · 30-01-2012, 11:07 PM

Sorry only saw the post now aulandu.

Could it be that consumer confidence in aussie cars is at a all time low? People are just simply not interested in buying the aussie icons as they once where.

As a young nerd i have raced in video game simulations with fwd, rwd and awd and 4wd because i am a young idiot.

On the road it does matter, especially in the wet.