Whats stopping people from buying the Falcon? - Page 17

brett7777 · 30-01-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

... And you need RWD because?

...you have to ask ?!

Nic85 · 30-01-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brett7777

...you have to ask ?!

Well, I would like one valid reason, yeah. One that makes sense.

bad moon rising · 30-01-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by brett7777

...you have to ask ?!

i probulbly safe to say that most drivers these days dont understand/dont care if a car is front or rwd.
most would appreciate fwd because they have more interior room.

rwd was the go in the 20 years because there were no decent fwd's but in this day in age it is mattering less and less.

most performance enthusiests would still want rwd but 90% of customers arnt enthusiests, there just mums and das who want a reliable and efficient car.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brett7777

...you have to ask ?!

Yeah id like to know aswell, why my car is inferior because it drives from the front?

Brazen · 30-01-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Yeah id like to know aswell, why my car is inferior because it drives from the front?

Would you prefer your Focus ST to be front or rear wheel drive?

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Would you prefer your Focus ST to be front or rear wheel drive?

4x4 to be honest. But i have no need for RWD.

brett7777 · 30-01-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bad moon rising

most performance enthusiests would still want rwd but 90% of customers arnt enthusiests,

Not sure if the percentages are correct but I would be in the 10% category of performance enthusiasts then.

Nic85 · 30-01-2012, 06:14 PM

Brett, I await your reasoning. Just one valid one will be fine. Lol.

brett7777 · 30-01-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Brett, I await your reasoning. Just one valid one will be fine. Lol.

oh ok yeah sorry bout that.
I think it must just be that Im one of those enthusiasts from the old school that bmr is talkin about...personal driving preference & an old school concept that a car is not really a true performance car unless it has RWD.
I guess nowadays that concept has changed a lot? at least in some quarters anyway.
I spose if you grow up with front wheel drive it becomes the norm anyway, & certainly the more recent generation of cars are that way.
Maybe we'll eventually see large Fords & Holdens racing each other at Bathurst with front wheel drive ???

Brazen · 30-01-2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Brett, I await your reasoning. Just one valid one will be fine. Lol.

Better weight distribution,
Better steering,
Better power down for high performance engines
Better balance
Better towing
Better tyre wear
Better styling proportions not having to house a front transaxle...

Is that enough?

bad moon rising · 30-01-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Better weight distribution,
Better steering,
Better power down for high performance engines
Better balance
Better towing
Better tyre wear
Better styling proportions not having to house a front transaxle...

Is that enough?

most customers probulbly wont notice the better steering,power down,balance etc as they dont spend there days driving to the limit.

if the better styling was true why isnt commodore or falcon number 1 on the sales charts anymore instead of the fwd mazda 3?

most fwd drive cars are usually better on fuel and cheaper to buy in the 1st place, they normally do wear tyres faster but what would you rather do, have a focus and replace the tyres every 30,000km or have a falcon were you replace tyres and diff bushes every 60,000

brett7777 · 30-01-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bad moon rising

what would you rather do, have a focus and replace the tyres every 30,000km or have a falcon were you replace tyres and diff bushes every 60,000

falcon, thanks.
& my diff bushes are fine :-)

EDIT: Sorry, I don't mean that as derogatory towards the focus. I heard they are a very nice car. It's just that the Falcon is my personal preference & it ticks all my boxes.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Better weight distribution,
Better steering,
Better power down for high performance engines
Better balance
Better towing
Better tyre wear
Better styling proportions not having to house a front transaxle...

Is that enough?

Sorry but only one of those is valid, the towing reason.

And ive owned 5 Falcons.

falconnut · 30-01-2012, 07:29 PM

a awd focus/falcon would be insane.

anto · 30-01-2012, 07:34 PM

torque steer on FWD blows. Had a mazda 6 for the mrs for about 6 months and it had to go ....never again

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by anto

torque steer on FWD blows. Had a mazda 6 for the mrs for about 6 months and it had to go ....never again

W/O turning this into a which is better, fitting a quaife (LSD) to a FWD car makes a world of difference. But until one is fitted all thats needed is a change of driving style.
Anyway im not bothered my car does what i need, thats why i dont need a Falcon.

anto · 30-01-2012, 07:45 PM

yeah I understand that but it just felt odd, we both couldnt get used to it and prefer the feel of rear wheel drive. I only posted in reply to the earlier question of why someone might prefer a RWD.

not trying to start anything... Im sure the most people wouldnt be able to tell the difference between the two, but I certainly could.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by anto

yeah I understand that but it just felt odd, we both couldnt get used to it and prefer the feel of rear wheel drive. I only posted in reply to the earlier question of why someone might prefer a RWD.

not trying to start anything... Im sure the most people wouldnt be able to tell the difference between the two, but I certainly could.

Yeah wasnt a dig at you mate. Juat dont want another which is better tis all.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Sorry but only one of those is valid, the towing reason.

And ive owned 5 Falcons.

And steering.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

And steering.

Id like to know how.
I assume you have owned and lived with both for an extended period then yeah?

Anyway if you want to humour me use the PM function, thjis isnt a which drive thread is better as i posted above.

TheZHLANE · 30-01-2012, 07:56 PM

I would buy a g6 if funds permitted. lovely car

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Id like to know how.
I assume you have owned and lived with both for an extended period then yeah?

Anyway if you want to humour me use the PM function, thjis isnt a which drive thread is better as i posted above.

Can't say I've driven a modern FWD car. More like early naughties era. They also have a numb... disconnected feel. And a wider turning circle.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Can't say I've driven a modern FWD car. More like early naughties era. They also have a numb... disconnected feel. And a wider turning circle.

Whilst i can agree with the turning circle, IMO i dont see it as a deal breaker.
When you have driven a decent well sorted FWD car come and let us know, until then.
I could have bought a falcon, but as i said i dont need it and i cant see myself buying another.
When are you going to buy a new Ford?

Nic85 · 30-01-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Better weight distribution,
Better steering,
Better power down for high performance engines
Better balance
Better towing
Better tyre wear
Better styling proportions not having to house a front transaxle...

Is that enough?

Having a front and rear diff, with the gearbox at the back allows for pretty much 50:50 weight distribution.

Evo's of all kilt have probably the best and most direct steering of anything this side of a $100k Porsche. Evo's are AWD.

Power down is much more efficient in an AWD car.

Again, balance of an AWD car is superior.

Towing? No. All the good tow vehicles (Landcruiser etc) are all AWD.

Tyre wear... Okay?

Styling... No need to comment on that really.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Whilst i can agree with the turning circle, IMO i dont see it as a deal breaker.
When you have driven a decent well sorted FWD car come and let us know, until then.

Okay. What qualifies as: 'a decent well sorted FWD car'?

Wide turning circle's are so irritating. A medium rear driver can slot into tighter parking spaces and whip around with greater ease than equivalent sized FWD cars. That's why you seem 'em all parked at angles in car parks. That's a deal breaker for me.

And you didn't really reply to my opinion on numb feeling disconnectedness with FWD.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Having a front and rear diff, with the gearbox at the back allows for pretty much 50:50 weight distribution.

Evo's of all kilt have probably the best and most direct steering of anything this side of a $100k Porsche. Evo's are AWD.

Power down is much more efficient in an AWD car.

Again, balance of an AWD car is superior.

Towing? No. All the good tow vehicles (Landcruiser etc) are all AWD.

Tyre wear... Okay?

Styling... No need to comment on that really.

Everything you just said is subjective to particular cars only. Just because an AWD Skyline is superior to say.... A Corvette. Doesn't mean that a suped up Volvo S80 with transverse FWD/AWD layout is again superior. Because it's very much heavier than a Mondeo to which it's loosely based, particularly up front.

Balance is in blueprints of the car being designed... not it's drivetrain.

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

Okay. What qualifies as: 'a decent well sorted FWD car'?

Wide turning circle's are so irritating. A medium rear driver can slot into tighter parking spaces and whip around with greater ease than equivalent sized FWD cars. That's why you seem 'em all parked at angles in car parks. That's a deal breaker for me.

And you didn't really reply to my opinion on numb feeling disconnectedness with FWD.

Parked at angles?

are you on. I can park mine no worries.
GTi, MPS, XR5, RS, Megane... shall i go on.
Sorry but i think you might need a little more real world experience, rather then looking and reading on the internet.

I dont feel disconnected, only thing i dont like that gives me a disconnected feel has nothing to do with steering but the electronic throttle. And i do get a little torque steer with my current tune.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Parked at angles?

are you on. I can park mine no worries.
GTi, MPS, XR5, RS, Megane... shall i go on.

All of which are small cars.

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Originally Posted by DJM83

I dont feel disconnected, only thing i dont like that gives me a disconnected feel has nothing to do with steering but the electronic throttle.

Nice direct steering with good feel?

**DJM83** · 30-01-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

All of which are small cars.

Doesnt make any difference they a FWD. Steering feels no less direct to any falcon ive driven and ive onwed a few.
Anyway as i said, go and get some real life experience and come back im not going to bother until you do so.

Buntz · 30-01-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Doesnt make any difference they a FWD.

Shorter Wheelbase.