Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 15

**DFB FGXR6** · 03-12-2018, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Lol didn't some Caprices come with something similar over 10 years ago??

Holden dealers are hurting so bad at the moment. Nothing is working for them.

It was called Holden Assist from memory.

**buggerlugs** · 24-12-2018, 10:48 AM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...r-mps/10665086

Even the Pollies don't want them....................

Brazen · 24-12-2018, 11:05 AM

I know the SA Government has started replacing their V8 Caprices with Camry SL Hybrids.

Probably a sensible move, good on fuel, cheap and roomy. A lot cheaper than spending 100k on BMW or Merc sedans.

Bossxr8 · 24-12-2018, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-...r-mps/10665086

Even the Pollies don't want them....................

Snouts in the trough. At least Labor is backing manufacturers who still do r&d here. Libs dgaf though.

bungarra · 25-12-2018, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Snouts in the trough. At least Labor is backing manufacturers who still do r&d here. Libs dgaf though.

Funnily enough Bill Shorten has always driven a BMW even as a union rep. Most of the Labor and Liberal MP's drive Eurolux vehicles, the odd one or two by Toyota or Mazda

Sprint XR8 · 28-01-2019, 05:04 PM

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Opel will halve production at Ruesselsheim plant, report says

BERLIN -- Opel will adjust production volume at its Ruesselsheim plant in Germany this year, it said on Thursday.

Opel did not say how much it will reduce output but the Mainzer Allgemeine newspaper reported that output will be halved to 68,000 vehicles from 123,000. The paper cited union sources.

"Opel continuously adjusts production. We want to further improve the capacity utilization of our plants. This of course also applies to Ruesselsheim," an Opel spokesman said, adding that the company does not publicly comment on details of its internal plans.

Opel builds its Insignia midsize car and Zafira minivan in Ruesselsheim, according to the Automotive News Europe assembly plant map.

Zafira sales in Europe fell 39 percent to 29,220 last year, according to JATO Dynamics market researchers, as customers switch to crossovers such as the brand's Grandland X, whose 2018 sales were 74,299. The Grandland X is built in PSA's plant in Sochaux, France. Insignia sales dropped 6.8 percent to 67,053.

https://europe.autonews.com/automake...nt-report-says

Syndrome · 28-01-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprint XR8

https://europe.autonews.com/automake...nt-report-says

That is a BIG cut

stefcio007 · 30-01-2019, 08:11 PM

Still surviving? Maybe that's why nobody is buying the new cars? haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJ13ulyLjk

(sorry if this video could technically be against the rules)

Syndrome · 30-01-2019, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stefcio007

Still surviving? Maybe that's why nobody is buying the new cars? haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJ13ulyLjk

(sorry if this video could technically be against the rules)

Holden Nova = Toyota Corolla

stefcio007 · 30-01-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Holden Nova = Toyota Corolla

So Holdens were re-badges back then too? we’ve come full circle :P

Dr Terry · 31-01-2019, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by stefcio007

So Holdens were re-badges back then too? we’ve come full circle :P

Actually the LE/LF Nova & AE90/92 Corolla twins were built by Holden at the Dandenong plant.

Dr Terry

Sprintey · 31-01-2019, 05:11 PM

Holden HA Viva

Syndrome · 31-01-2019, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stefcio007

So Holdens were re-badges back then too? we’ve come full circle :P

Some historical information for you younger members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ile_Industries

hayseed · 31-01-2019, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Holden Nova = Toyota Corolla

Toyota Lexcen....

Syndrome · 31-01-2019, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

Toyota Lexcen....

What about the Toyota Lexcen?

hayseed · 01-02-2019, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

What about the Toyota Lexcen?

We were talking about Badge engineering, & the Toyota Lexcen was simply a rebadged Commodore.

The Holden Drover was a rebadged Suzuki Sierra. the Barina was a Suzuki Swift, (Until the GM Daewoo Takeover)

bathurst77 · 30-01-2019, 08:55 PM

Another way of looking at it.
As long as GM sells RHD cars in Australia it will be called Holden
Its expensive to engineer and build a car as RHD when most of the world is LHD
A Holden badge only costs couple of bucks per car and even it means only a handful more sales a year compared to a chev badge, why not?

OzJavelin · 31-01-2019, 08:03 AM

Toyota Camry = Holden Apollo ....

marty351 · 31-01-2019, 08:12 AM

Nissan pulsar/Holden astra
Suzuki swift/Holden barina

mike_nofx · 31-01-2019, 09:12 AM

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Big_Daz · 31-01-2019, 05:30 PM

Wasn't their a short (and not at all successful) relationship between ford and Nissan whereby they where rebadging Falcon Utes (around XF I think) as Nissan utes and selling them?

Here it is.. found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan

Forgot about the Ford Corsair/Nissan Pintara Ford Mavrick/Nissan Patrol duo's as well..

jgmdat · 01-02-2019, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Wasn't their a short (and not at all successful) relationship between ford and Nissan whereby they where rebadging Falcon Utes (around XF I think) as Nissan utes and selling them?

Here it is.. found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Button_car_plan

Forgot about the Ford Corsair/Nissan Pintara Ford Mavrick/Nissan Patrol duo's as well..

Button was the 80's version of KRUDD

Ford17 · 01-02-2019, 10:25 AM

In among all this, when the Holden Apollo (rebadged Camry) was launched, the then Holden chief designer Phil Zmood was being 'complimented' by industry colleagues with such comments as "Nice grille, Phil", and "Great wheel cover design you did there, Phil".

Previously, Zmood was responsible for entire car designs including the Monaro in the 1970's...

Sprintey · 02-02-2019, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford17

In among all this, when the Holden Apollo (rebadged Camry) was launched, the then Holden chief designer Phil Zmood was being 'complimented' by industry colleagues with such comments as "Nice grille, Phil", and "Great wheel cover design you did there, Phil".

Previously, Zmood was responsible for entire car designs including the Monaro in the 1970's...

lol that's geniunely funny! I expect there's a bit of ego in Auto styling

Ford17 · 01-02-2019, 11:18 PM

From Wheels Magazine, 1988:

http://arc.bauer.x-cago.net/WHL/arti...-OF-1988.html?

MrZ · 03-02-2019, 10:32 AM

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

Syndrome · 03-02-2019, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

How many dealers do Holden have versus Isuzu?

vztrt · 03-02-2019, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

How many dealers do Holden have versus Isuzu?

Probably be about the same by the end of the year.

Bossxr8 · 04-02-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

If the Isuzu brand in Australia can exist and do well with just 2 models - the D-Max and MU-X, then Holden should in theory be able to exist with as little as just 2 models, a ute and a SUV. They're not going anywhere. After all, Proton Australia are still around and they literally sell ZERO cars here.

I had to double check that. I was certain Proton stopped selling cars here years ago. Quite suprising they are still around.

MrZ · 04-02-2019, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I had to double check that. I was certain Proton stopped selling cars here years ago. Quite suprising they are still around.

The brand still exists in Australia, but they haven't sold any brand-new cars since 2016. From what I understand, the current vehicles don't meet emissions regulations in Australia, but they claim to have new models on the way.