Timing belt replacement.

[Citroënbender]

If you don’t get a persistent cam angle sensor fault coming up, your paint mark was good enough.

[AlanM]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If you don’t get a persistent cam angle sensor fault coming up, your paint mark was good enough.

Only driven about 40 km since, to get a roadworthyness certificate, so far so good.

[goz007]

Sounds like its going ok ,so should be fine(although there is an interesting thread-old thread in the SZ forum were anthor member did as u did & chased fault codes for months as he was a tooth out on his cam timing & also anthor interesting one were anthor member did the same & lost his engine.....valves into pistons, broke a cam gear) although from what I've read & also watching anthor one of Taxi mechanic Alan's utubes(I like the taxi mechanic.....but he is a little ruff for me, but he's good value & has a lot of interesting & informative clips-im still watching him even though he's not fixing Mondeos any more & moved to the Philippine) it looks like the Mondeo engine is a little more forgiving & just breaks rocker arms....as for me i will buy a similar kit to which cobrin has listed & lock the crank...... I'm a little OCD with bolt tensions & i also feel it's a little to much strain to put the cam gear under....but anyway each to there own & fair play to u that its worked without issues(I believe if something was wrong it would of shown up in your 40ks) as I said previously thanks for your comments it's much appreciated 👍

[goz007]

Hey AlanM any chance u have part numbers for the timing kit & the water pump? Also before I go to far is yours an MD? If not disregard the part No request (although they could be useful for other members)

[AlanM]

Originally Posted by goz007

Hey AlanM any chance u have part numbers for the timing kit & the water pump? Also before I go to far is yours an MD? If not disregard the part No request (although they could be useful for other members)

Yep, it's an MD. Timing belt kits are cheaper and easier to find for the MC! (Although the only difference is the water pump.)

I ordered it in person at Autobarn, they wouldn't accept CC payment by phone. There's no kit (belt rollers and water pump) listed on their website.

I'll have to see if the receipt is in the box with the old parts and see if it has a part number.

BTW, for a laugh, check out Repco's price!
It's about $950 for the kit with water pump, and about $400 for the belt and roller kit without the water pump.

That makes it a pretty exxy water pump!

[goz007]

The V6 in the SZ is a little different were the crank pulley has no keyway & is held in place purely by the tension of the crankshaft gear bolt,(Duetz Diesel engines are the same- no keyways on crankshaft or camshaft-timing gears held in place by bolt tension)in saying that though it(cranckshaft gear)is not loosened or removed on cam belt replacement, how the timing moves(& it's probably not even 1tooth)is as the new belt is loading up with the tensioner as the cams are pinned but the crank isn't, it can allow a slight movement in the crankshaft.....l've also done timing belts without pinning the crank(I don't like to but sometimes u have no options)anthor trick I will use as well as putting marks on the cams & crank(to the heads & block or flywheel)i will also put marks on the teeth(crank & cams)to the old belt, then transfer the marks from the old belt(through a tooth count) to the new belt, that way i have double reference points.

[goz007]

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/15584219...mis&media=COPY

[AlanM]

Originally Posted by goz007

Hey AlanM any chance u have part numbers for the timing kit & the water pump? Also before I go to far is yours an MD? If not disregard the part No request (although they could be useful for other members)

Sorry, forgot about this. I've dug out the receipt. It's pretty badly printed, but as far as I can make out, the part number is:
KTB995EP which is the timing belt kit including the water pump.

But when I search that number on Autobarn's website it comes up empty.

Worth a phone enquiry though, as I said there's no timing belt kit for this car on their website anyway, but they were able to supply it, and quite quickly.

[Citroënbender]

That crosses to a Dayco boxed kit, probably a European made water pump but who knows?

A note on mistimed engine failures - to me it’s good when they design the rocker arms to work like “fuses”. A lot less cleaning up after a belt fails. Some of the eighties/nineties Peugeot in-line fours had cam caps that fractured instead. Nice idea but the spares weren’t really available and used parts would be likely to need line boring - so the rocker arm weak points were a real step up…

[AlanM]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

That crosses to a Dayco boxed kit, probably a European made water pump but who knows?

A note on mistimed engine failures - to me it’s good when they design the rocker arms to work like “fuses”. A lot less cleaning up after a belt fails. Some of the eighties/nineties Peugeot in-line fours had cam caps that fractured instead. Nice idea but the spares weren’t really available and used parts would be likely to need line boring - so the rocker arm weak points were a real step up…

The original was probably European made, possibly Mahle, but it failed at 178,000 km. And apparently it's a far from rare occurrence.

[AlanM]

Originally Posted by goz007

Sounds like its going ok ,so should be fine(although there is an interesting thread-old thread in the SZ forum were anthor member did as u did & chased fault codes for months as he was a tooth out on his cam timing & also anthor interesting one were anthor member did the same & lost his engine.....valves into pistons, broke a cam gear) although from what I've read & also watching anthor one of Taxi mechanic Alan's utubes(I like the taxi mechanic.....but he is a little ruff for me, but he's good value & has a lot of interesting & informative clips-im still watching him even though he's not fixing Mondeos any more & moved to the Philippine) it looks like the Mondeo engine is a little more forgiving & just breaks rocker arms....as for me i will buy a similar kit to which cobrin has listed & lock the crank...... I'm a little OCD with bolt tensions & i also feel it's a little to much strain to put the cam gear under....but anyway each to there own & fair play to u that its worked without issues(I believe if something was wrong it would of shown up in your 40ks) as I said previously thanks for your comments it's much appreciated 👍

I honestly can't see how it would be possible to be a tooth out if you lock the camshaft and mark the crank before starting, then make sure the marks still line up once the new belt is installed and tensioned and the crankshaft pulley bolt is torqued up.

If you were out by a whole tooth the paint mark on the flywheel would be nowhere to be seen. The keyway on the crank timing gear does allow a few degrees of leeway, and I guess it's possible the crankshaft could turn by that amount relative to the gear as you tighten the bolt, but your paint marks would show that up too.

But if the threads are clean (it was a new bolt and locktight)
that shouldn't happen anyway.

This was the fourth timing belt I've installed, 3 of them on 2.0 TDCI Mondeos, and this method has always worked fine.