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Originally Posted by zipping

Scandanavia in particular Norway where they have natural resources and State owned businesses that harness those resources, but importantly don't try to run the businesses.

But they are not self-declared socialist states.

Let's not cherry pick and look at the 28 countries who have declared themselves socialist/communist

23/28 of self declared socialist/communist countries have given it up officially:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Belarus
Benin
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Congo-Brazzaville
Czechoslovakia
Ethiopia
East Germany
Hungary
Mongolia
Mozambique
Poland
Romania
Somalia
Russia - Soviet Union
Ukraine
North Vietnam
South Yemen
Yugoslavia

Looks like someone's been to the wikipedia list. Since you're against cherry-picking allow me to include the qualifier for what is a socialist state:

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Self-identification is the only criterion used by the list, therefore the list includes all countries that have claimed to be Socialist, even if their claims are disputed. All countries that have not claimed to be Socialist are excluded, even in cases where certain outside observers regarded those countries as Socialist. This list includes countries that assert in their constitutions that they are based on socialism, regardless of their economic or political system. As a result, this list is best understood as a list of countries that explicitly claim to be Socialist and it does not reflect the actual economic systems themselves.

Those remaining:
China - its moved a long way towards a market economy while keeping a 1 state ruling party
Venezuela - imploding
Cuba - economy very poor
North Korea - economy very poor
Laos - moving to open economy since 2009

With the exception of Venezuela...

China's full title is the "People's Republic of China". China's Communist, yeah?
Cuba's full title is the "Republic of Cuba". ditto
North Korea - "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"... Umm...
Laos - "Lao People's Democratic Republic" - Also Communist.

The best way to help the environment is to make people richer and it also helps with population control for those that worry about that.

Something we can agree on! But alas we can't seem to agree that AOC's submission SEEKS to achieve just that (particularly those bolded) (*edit* I acknowledge that it doesn't address the population issue which I entirely agree with you on):

* Achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers
* Create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States
* Invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century
* Secure for all people of the United States for generations to come— (i) clean air and water; (ii) climate and community resiliency; (iii) healthy food; (iv) access to nature; and (v) a sustainable environment
* Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous peoples, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth

Lets say you introduce all these dream policies in Australia and the USA.

It will have almost zero impact as investment will flow out of those 2 countries and into places like China and India and the other 200 countries where environmental concerns are not given as much priority.

Meanwhile we are poorer for the policies which impacts our ability to research and solve the problem.

You actually want rich people using their own money to invest in ideas that may or may not work.

The government interfering with legislation/rules just stops educated money getting to where it needs to be to create win/win outcomes.

When rich people, and by extension corporations keep their money, they tend to (I'll ironically use a Socialist term here) "redistribute the wealth" amongst themselves and the shareholders.

And, back to AOC's submission, I refer to you a direct copy-paste from there, in respect to what I have italicised above:

* Enacting and enforcing trade rules, procurement standards, and border adjustments with strong labor and environmental protections— (i) to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas; and (ii) to grow domestic manufacturing in the United States