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If this thread is indicative of the current state of affairs relating to families, then indeed it is very sad and makes you wonder what the kids of the kids are going to grow up like. How are they going to handle relationships in their adulthood when there role models (us) haven't been able to have healthy, loving relationships. This is not having a go at anyone, it's simply stating the obvious.
I, too have had a tough time over the last 20 years. I divorced my 1st wife when my 4 kids were very young and ever since had been bashing my head against a brick wall trying to maintain a good relationship with them. My ex, in all her wonderful wisdom has done nothing but poison my kids against me. You get to a point when you are bashing your head against a brick wall...it hurts like hell but it feels a lot better when you stop doing it. I have come to a realisation, I can't force my kids to love me or want a relationship with me, you have to make a choice to let them go and hopefully one day, they might see the light of day before it's too late.