fpv_1

I am looking for ANY pictures/ideas/advice to help me get this project underway.

i have been told single turbo is alot of mucking around with plumbing pipes so twin turbo set up it is. what size turbos? ive been told twin t03's.
engine build before hand? cam?
manifold designs?
i just need anything because i cannot find much info at all. best i could find was an el xr8 twin turbo running t03's (FORCD8) but no pictures.
cheers

BPXR6T

Think there might be a build thread going in the projects section for a twin turbo EL XR8.

LTD351T

look harder, try google

might also want to mention what engine your putting it on

try looking at www.turbomustangs.com

IMO single is easier if you have the room, twins is more stuffing around with pipes, two dump pipes, two of everything, not to mention double the cost when you want to upgrade turbos

you don't mention how much power your chasing or what the cars used for

street car, 302, think Master Power T70 .8'ish rear

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schnoods

Also try www.corral.net for more info. (beat ya there EBXR8380 lol).

More 5.0L mustangs there running boost than anywhere i've seen, really good info there too.

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TURBOTAXI

There is a v8 ef turbo for sale at the moment (car point?) for $13,000 that might be cheaper?

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Honda CR480 Air cooled project road cafe racer.
T88 Turbo XT Falcon project with 351 Cleveland (mothballed)

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ebv8

single is easier...mines on carpoint/carsale and i'll take $10k was $13k need it gone to buy a house.

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NickosEL

yeah that EF posts on here, last I heard the car had issues, dont quote me as saying that they are still there, but on the E-series engine combo thread you can find that car.

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ebxr8240

Go a S380 with T4 turbine housing..
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/...S380_164840.htm

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ebxr8boy

something like this maybe

http://s325.photobucket.com/albums/...oy/XR8%20build/

I'm considering selling some of the setup as i'm seriously think going big single 351w

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mickyyyy

302 with S366sx or 351 s400sx good street/strip combo's and can get both turbo from GCG for $1700.00

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montyv8

twin turbo ED XR8..
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/i...?topic=129278.0

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mr_460bigblock

last night i was on ebay and spotted these twin turbo kits from the states, and with our dollar so close the the US atm, i thought for the cash wasnt too bad for what you get... heres some links... dunno how good these "kits" are tho but worth a look
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...5fAcces sories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1991...5fAcces sories

obviously some mods might be needed to make it all fit... but looks full on.

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mickyyyy

Dont touch those ebay turbo kits, all rubbish and plenty of threads on US forums to prove

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cheers mickyyy... kinda thought too good to be true... :togo:

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LTD351T

yes, the cheap kits are 100% rubbish, about the only thing worth using is the silicone couplers.

I wouldn't buy any borg warner based turbo's from any Oz retailers when the dollar is soo good right now.

turbodave's have the S400 for 500$ odd US, freight is about 240$ US.

If your thinking of getting a SX series BW, just buy a garret, the garrets are about the same as the BW SX series, but cheaper over here. The SX from my knowledge are just the BW with smaller turbines and smaller t4 rear housings. Generally speaking the GT turbines tend towards the smaller end. Hype follows brands around, the BW took off when they released the S400 for a good price. Now everyone is making BW units with smaller turbines and T4 rears, they are comparable to garretts, but now the small turbine BW units are more expensive than garretts. Buying Sx series IMO is just people using the hype generated by the S400 to churn more profit.

The BW S400 really shines over the garrett when you get to 330+ cubes as the cheap diesel units like the S400 have nice large turbines.

Most street cars, a gt3540 or Gt4088 is all you will need, over that the GT4294. If cubes over 351 the S400.

The bushed garretts are a better alternative to the bushed BW's when buying in Australia IMO. IE I sell 4088 for 1250$, 4294 for 1320$, 3582r 1650$, etc, I cant do that good prices on Sx BW units.

Buying the S400 cheapest option direct from US.

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mickyyyy

U can get BW Airwerks SX units cheap if u know who to buy them from and have proven to be a great unit for the price and many reports of people going BW Airwerks and making more power/ Torque and coming on boost sooner.

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LTD351T

tell us who to buy them from? 1700$ for a bushed turbo isn't cheap.

The SX prefix just means the unit has a smaller turbine/rear housing option from the factory, when compared to its diesel based big brother. IE S400SX is just the same as a S400, but it has a smaller turbine and smaller rear housing. The airwerks propaganda would tell you the SX means its "developed from racing heritage" or whatever, but it just means it has a gasoline oriented turbine, IE smaller than diesel. The thrust and shaft system is the same, comp wheels also the same, SX offers smaller comp wheels also. None of them are BB, all bushed.

Most of the small rear small turbine BW units are put together by US companies using BW parts,(bullseye power for example), the actual airwerks range is very small. The aftermarket has put together many combinations now available.

I would love to compare a GT4202 and a S400(74)SX on the dyno, they are essentially the same style, and in fact are exact copies of each other externally.

The S400(74) will eat them both but needs 351 cubes and min 3500 stall, the SX and GT can get away with less converter, a 1.10 S400 would munch the SX and GT. You cant beat large turbines on V8's. I guess my problem is the SX range really belong on skylines, 6 cyl's, etc, the downside to the GT4202 is its small turbine-backpressure, the SX is just taking the S400 and going backwards, IMO. Unless we are talking about the 71mm S400SX, or 68mm if they do one, thats not so bad, if using the mid sized turbine. Like a GT4292, good wheel size combinations.

Don't get into the hype of SX will beat a GT blah blah, hype is almost always not true. After all these years, none of the BW wheels can match the ancient garrett UTV turbines. I know thats not related to this level of tech.

Example, 351 cubes, GT4202, max boost 25psi, max power at 22psi, swapped to S400, same power with 3psi less boost. Simple turbine size upgrade.

Now, if you go and put a smaller turbine and rear housing in that S400, all your doing is making a GT4202, except it costs more. I don't believe the wheel design of the SX will show any gains that make the extra 450$ purchase price worthwhile.

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mickyyyy

Not bad prices

http://www.miketurboinc.com/index.html

Better prices

http://www.forcedinductions.com/

I also have the full spec sheet and part number for for S300sx & S400sx BW Airwerks turbos.

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LTD351T

Is it Jose's spec sheet? or the airwerks one? I have the airwerks one but if you have more info on Jose's units can you send it to me?

The prices have come down, not long ago all the variants on the regular S400 were many hundreds more expensive. Ahh I see the T4 housings still more expensive.

Yes they are bloody good value, buying locally is still not good value.

The SX series are still very expensive.

The stand out amongst Jose's listings are the S400 based units, especially the 80mm units, and the BW based 88 thru 91mm's, they are good value.

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LTD351T

The ETT wheels coupled with a large turbine and 1.10 rear on a t4 foot are a good option for extracting the most from a given wheel size and maximising responce but that comes at an additional cost, which for most isn't going to deliver the same benefit as using a larger unit outright. IE 800US vs 1700US.

That method of turbo selection really works on small displacement engines, but for the larger V8 stuff I just don't think the cost Vs benefit is really worthwhile. The SX units simply place themselves in a realm where the turbines are just not big enough to extract the maximum output of the unit, while maintaining healthy intake to exh pressure ratios on large cube systems.

Its the same reason why HKS developed the T04z and the T51r, and then garrett delivered the to4z to the masses, they have their place on small engines, and deliver what they are designed to do, if the rear housing selection is spot on, but on V8's the same theory does not translate.

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63futura

Does anyone have the rough outside measurements for the s400
just wondering how much room they take up

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mickyyyy

I have the full current S300 & S400 spec sheet direct from Seth Temple Application Engineer of Airwerks BW as i was serching for 2 turbos for my mates build but he went twin GT50 turbo's instead.

Seth's machine of a car and a top bloke as well

http://www.airwerksboosted.com/Airwerked/default.aspx

I dont know who Jose is or is he a reseller of BW???

Be carfull as most resellers sell a BW Airwerks under the impression is a custom unit like the S366sx

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63futura

It will fit in ur engine bay if u move the battery to the boot, already done all the measurements and it fits nice and snug.

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63futura

Yeah battery already in boot
So you reckon an s400 will fit without cutting big holes ?
How much bigger are they than a centri supercharger ?

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mickyyyy

there bigger lol and u will cut a whole for piping and thats about it

Go to the website and download the catalogue as it has all the demensions for each turbo. Note catalogue is in there home page a tad down on the right.

http://www.airwerksboosted.com/default.aspx

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63futura

WOW There HUGE

So for a 363 thats street driven with the odd track day what would ya recomend for a single turbo and what for twin turbo

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LTD351T

yeah, the main issue that comes up is fitting a decent air cleaner onto them.

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ebxr8240

Garrett have said they are going to review there prices to get them moving...
Looks like a price reduction ???
They released this at Sema yesterday

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LTD351T

Hopefully so, with the garrett global pricing structure, the changes will knock local prices down also, which is great. The number of knock off units being sold must be hurting their sales, if they drop prices, more people will buy the genuine stuff.

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