Murder- Suicide on our roads

**aussiblue** · 20-02-2017, 12:43 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lls-woman.html
and http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...al-perth-crash

Makes you think there might be circumstances where the death penalty should still apply.

EDManual · 20-02-2017, 12:53 AM

Yep.

What is completely hidden by the govt and on a VERY rare occasion was admitted by the Victorian coroner was that HALF of all single vehicle fatalities are suicides!

No anti speeding campaign can stop that.

Happens all the time.
A few years ago there was a terrible case of a woman doing 150 or so down the wrong side of the freeway near Lara (near Geelong) and killing 4 young people.

Another one a couple of years ago around Point Cook did the same.

These articles show it for what it is.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/wr...207-2b1u7.html

Although this quote following is absolutely weak. Call a spade a spade!

Over the past decade at least six other motorists have been killed by vehicles driving on the wrong side of the busy stretch of highway between Melbourne and Geelong.

''They are sometimes foreigners or tourists coming from overseas or they just make a mistake,'' Sergeant Willsmore said.

EDManual · 20-02-2017, 12:58 AM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-0...ection/6679380

Another.

Why cant they just drive into a tree like the 50% of single car fatalities?

**aussiblue** · 20-02-2017, 01:00 AM

I've had a few cars come at me on the wrong side of double white lines (seems to be much more common in recent years although I do much less country miles now) but they all appeared to be selfish bullies (I can think of many more better adjectives but the potty word filter will catch them) just happy to force me off the road and not actually focussed on hitting and killing me.

OzJavelin · 20-02-2017, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

I've had a few cars come at me on the wrong side of double white lines (seems to be much more common in recent years although I do much less country miles now) but they all appeared to be selfish bullies (I can think of many more better adjectives but the potty word filter will catch them) just happy to force me off the road and not actually focussed on hitting and killing me.

I've had more than my fair share of morons on the wrong side of the road approaching me .. smiling 'cos they are in some SUV or some such and that I'll move .. until they realise that I'm driving a LHD car and unless they think they are going to hit me head on, then I'm less intimidated than I might be ...

**aussiblue** · 20-02-2017, 01:01 AM

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Why cant they just drive into a tree like the 50% of single car fatalities?

Agreed.

**aussiblue** · 20-02-2017, 01:03 AM

It's still the most disturbing video I have seen this year.

Junkyard-Dog · 20-02-2017, 01:54 AM

Apparently the driver was high on meth.

Absolute waste of oxygen. Should've been aborted.

Xtreme PaintworX · 20-02-2017, 12:41 PM

bloody oath mate^

MAGPIE · 20-02-2017, 12:58 PM

More common than most realise, the ones that really want to go they target trucks for obvious reasons.

Tiger57 · 20-02-2017, 04:39 PM

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More common than most realise, the ones that really want to go they target trucks for obvious reasons.

That is the most selfish act. Involving some innocent Driver, be it Car, Truck or Train, in their suicide.

**GasoLane** · 20-02-2017, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

More common than most realise, the ones that really want to go they target trucks for obvious reasons.

Been there, done that, tends to bugger up your whole timetable for the night.

Adamz Ghia · 20-02-2017, 07:06 PM

This hits close to home. An old girlfriend of mine who I've remained good friends with lost both her parents to a drunk driver driving on the wrong side of the road. Both of them were killed instantly, of course he survived. I was there when the police came to the door and the scream she let out has never left me. At the age of 22 she was on her own.

That's the side of things I don't think we always fully comprehend. Sure people died, but countless others lose a mum, dad, grandfather or grandmother, friend, colleague, the list goes on. I often look at the road toll and think if each one of those people know let's say 25 people (very conservative) and 28 people have died in Victoria alone this year that's 700 people who have lost someone they know and love.

glimmerman · 20-02-2017, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

This hits close to home. An old girlfriend of mine who I've remained good friends with lost both her parents to a drunk driver driving on the wrong side of the road. Both of them were killed instantly, of course he survived. I was there when the police came to the door and the scream she let out has never left me. At the age of 22 she was on her own.

That's the side of things I don't think we always fully comprehend. Sure people died, but countless others lose a mum, dad, grandfather or grandmother, friend, colleague, the list goes on. I often look at the road toll and think if each one of those people know let's say 25 people (very conservative) and 28 people have died in Victoria alone this year that's 700 people who have lost someone they know and love.

Similar here, my mrs lost her mum at age 12 to a guy on drugs and alcohol, he survived, she was left without parents as her dad died of cancer when she was 3.
When I see people drive like idiots especially young p platers I just wish I could wrap a tyre iron around their knee caps so by the time they can drive again they have a bit more life experience and realise so much more is at stake when you drive.

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**aussiblue** · 20-02-2017, 01:22 PM

These are the sort I usually see http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11803979 I wonder if they were on holiday from WA.

Itsme · 20-02-2017, 02:44 PM

Very tragic indeed, yet some one will come up with an excuse as why the perpetrator was not his normal self & blame some other event for his actions, capital punishment is too good, hard labour for rest of his life.

Express · 20-02-2017, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lls-woman.html
and http://www.9news.com.au/national/201...al-perth-crash

Makes you think there might be circumstances where the death penalty should still apply.

This link shows a little more of the lead up to the collision.

http://www.news.com.au/national/west...aign=editorial

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Stefan · 20-02-2017, 05:50 PM

That's screwed up...low life POS scum should have been strung up from the nearest tree, not taken to hospital.

Tickford. · 20-02-2017, 07:44 PM

It's ok. The Landcruiser driver is alive. He was rushed to hospital and doctors are working on keeping him alive. Even though he wants to die. He will probably pull through, and cost tax payers millions for his court costs and jail time.

Meanwhile, an innocent 62 yr old woman is dead.

Justice.

Tobe404 · 20-02-2017, 07:49 PM

So very sad indeed.

I do wonder how long it'll be before the 'mental' defense comes into play here.
Seems to be happening far too often these days.

Ben73 · 20-02-2017, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiblue

Makes you think there might be circumstances where the death penalty should still apply.

Death penalty is too easy for these scumbags, they need to suffer for their punishment.
I don't care how medieval or deranged it sounds, some people deserve it. Anyone who goes out of their way to injure random innocent people deserve it.

ea90gl · 20-02-2017, 09:36 PM

What some of you have to have to understand (and this is by no means any excuse at all) is that if someone is in such a state of mind that they deem suicide as an option to end things, they don't really care about themselves let alone anyone else on the planet.

Being suicidal basically means you are suffering from a severe mental illness which also means you have probably lost any form of thinking about things in any logical manner etc. The fact that the bloke suffered from a mental illness is probably why he was drunk or on meth so it's not like this was the only reason for his actions. Yes it is the easy way out and no one should ever have to contemplate this.

It's easy to step back and say the bloke should of/could have done things differently but for him I doubt anything mattered at the time and I don't think he should be crucified for trying to "end things" like he did for the above reasons.

Once again by no means are his actions excusable in any way and it is very unfortunate that other innocent people had to suffer from his actions.

b0son · 20-02-2017, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

It's easy to step back and say the bloke should of/could have done things differently but for him I doubt anything mattered at the time and I don't think he should be crucified for trying to "end things" like he did for the above reasons.

If he wanted to end things, he could have done so alone. The vast majority of suicides are committed in that fashion. He made a conscious effort to hurt others, in the same way some nutter goes on a rampage with a gun. I'm not sure why mental illness should afford him any sympathy.

TheSneakiness · 21-02-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

What some of you have to have to understand (and this is by no means any excuse at all) is that if someone is in such a state of mind that they deem suicide as an option to end things, they don't really care about themselves let alone anyone else on the planet.

Being suicidal basically means you are suffering from a severe mental illness which also means you have probably lost any form of thinking about things in any logical manner etc. The fact that the bloke suffered from a mental illness is probably why he was drunk or on meth so it's not like this was the only reason for his actions. Yes it is the easy way out and no one should ever have to contemplate this.

It's easy to step back and say the bloke should of/could have done things differently but for him I doubt anything mattered at the time and I don't think he should be crucified for trying to "end things" like he did for the above reasons.

Once again by no means are his actions excusable in any way and it is very unfortunate that other innocent people had to suffer from his actions.

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Originally Posted by b0son

If he wanted to end things, he could have done so alone. The vast majority of suicides are committed in that fashion. He made a conscious effort to hurt others, in the same way some nutter goes on a rampage with a gun. I'm not sure why mental illness should afford him any sympathy.

I was going to post something along the lines of ea90gl yesterday and was expecting the response posted by b0son from others so I deleted it. Only going to say two things.

One - A lot of people have NO idea what it's like to live with a mental illness. I'm NOT defending the actions of the driver in the video, he deserves punishment.

Two - It is probably the worst video I have seen so far this year.

mike_nofx · 21-02-2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSneakiness

I was going to post something along the lines of ea90gl yesterday and was expecting the response posted by b0son from others so I deleted it. Only going to say two things.

One - A lot of people have NO idea what it's like to live with a mental illness. I'm NOT defending the actions of the driver in the video, he deserves punishment.

Two - It is probably the worst video I have seen so far this year.

The article doesn't mention mental illness I believe, unless I missed it.

Is every case of someone wanting to commit suicide, or harm others a mental illness case?

Is no one ever responsible for horrible actions because anything that seems crazy enough must be due to mental illness?

Ben73 · 21-02-2017, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

What some of you have to have to understand (and this is by no means any excuse at all) is that if someone is in such a state of mind that they deem suicide as an option to end things, they don't really care about themselves let alone anyone else on the planet.

Being suicidal basically means you are suffering from a severe mental illness which also means you have probably lost any form of thinking about things in any logical manner etc. The fact that the bloke suffered from a mental illness is probably why he was drunk or on meth so it's not like this was the only reason for his actions. Yes it is the easy way out and no one should ever have to contemplate this.

It's easy to step back and say the bloke should of/could have done things differently but for him I doubt anything mattered at the time and I don't think he should be crucified for trying to "end things" like he did for the above reasons.

Once again by no means are his actions excusable in any way and it is very unfortunate that other innocent people had to suffer from his actions.

Lots of people with mental issues kill themselves considerately.
This guy was out to injure others as well. So it doesn't matter whether he had a mental illness all not. He is not right in the head and deserve punishment, even if it's just to protect the community.

Some witnesses said he was laughing and jumping around in his car like he was excited with what he was doing. If you have a mental illness that makes you act like that, you should not be free to run loose in society.

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What I don't understand in this convo though is, when has anyone said that this guy shouldn't be held accountable to his actions? Nothing is said in the 2 initial links, and no one has said that he should be allowed to get off scott free. So this notion that the do gooders will somehow keep him from the consequences is just stupid and ignorant.

People might be just a bit worried based of previous cases of people getting off lightly because they had 'mental issues' at the time of the crime but are usually the nicest person around.

ea90gl · 22-02-2017, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Lots of people with mental issues kill themselves considerately.
This guy was out to injure others as well. So it doesn't matter whether he had a mental illness all not. He is not right in the head and deserve punishment, even if it's just to protect the community.

Some witnesses said he was laughing and jumping around in his car like he was excited with what he was doing. If you have a mental illness that makes you act like that, you should not be free to run loose in society.

People might be just a bit worried based of previous cases of people getting off lightly because they had 'mental issues' at the time of the crime but are usually the nicest person around.

It's been said numerous times that this guy's actions are not acceptable in any way shape or form. He should most definitely be punished accordingly and be dealt with so he is not able to perform any of the horrific acts again that he has already performed.

Instead of putting a bullet to the guy's head maybe it would help if after serving a severe punishment, he actually gets the right help in order for him to realise his wrong-doings and he can actually makes things better once in a proper state of mind. You never know, once rehabilitated, this guy could actually be a benefit to society and spend the rest of his life making things better for both his and the wider community.

My main point is that he must be suffering from a severe mental illness which has obviously caused him to do what he had done. Yes many other suicidal people end their life without causing any form of distress to other's however last time I checked there is no by the book way to end your life in a certain. Everyone is different at the end of the day.

Apologies for thinking outside the square and que the typical responses from the brain dead muppets out there who fail to be able to read and still think I hope the guy should not be punished and should be free to do as he pleases since he has a mental illness.

mike_nofx · 22-02-2017, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

It's been said numerous times that this guy's actions are not acceptable in any way shape or form. He should most definitely be punished accordingly and be dealt with so he is not able to perform any of the horrific acts again that he has already performed.

Instead of putting a bullet to the guy's head maybe it would help if after serving a severe punishment, he actually gets the right help in order for him to realise his wrong-doings and he can actually makes things better once in a proper state of mind. You never know, once rehabilitated, this guy could actually be a benefit to society and spend the rest of his life making things better for both his and the wider community.

My main point is that he must be suffering from a severe mental illness which has obviously caused him to do what he had done. Yes many other suicidal people end their life without causing any form of distress to other's however last time I checked there is no by the book way to end your life in a certain. Everyone is different at the end of the day.

Apologies for thinking outside the square and que the typical responses from the brain dead muppets out there who fail to be able to read and still think I hope the guy should not be punished and should be free to do as he pleases since he has a mental illness.

Why give this guy any sympathy? He showed none to his victims.

You do insist it was mental illness, is there proof of this?

Just a curiosity here, is every murderer of innocent people a 'victim' of mental illness?
Adolf Hitler? Osama Bin Laden? Any of the school massacre shooters? Martin Bryant?

Could these people have done a gaol term then be released to be a 'benefit to society'?

71cop · 22-02-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

I hope the guy should not be punished and should be free to do as he pleases since he has a mental illness.

Well that would make the victims family feel a lot better now wouldn't it ? What a horrible and disrespectful thing to say, are you for real or what ?

ford71V8 · 22-02-2017, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

You know what else beggars belief? Some muppet who thinks he knows it all and is willing to make assumptions based on some sort of knowledge he may think he has and tells the world like it is.......

.....If you have never gone through this yourself please refrain from putting your 2 cents in as even I would not be willing to pay that piddly sum to you.

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

My main point is that he must be suffering from a severe mental illness which has obviously caused him to do what he had done.

You know he is suffering from a severe mental illness do you?
I haven't read anything like that.
But you get stuck into another poster for thinking he knows it all.
Could be the guy is just an idiot that gives no ****s about himself or others.

Its absurd to think you need to have been suicidal to have an opinion on this.

Also, he has 4 Likes, so some of us agree with him.

You may feel sympathy and thats fine, but more of us are probably disgusted with what he went and did.