Roundabout Incident - Who is at Fault?

[Trevor 57]

take the big round thing out of the middle and see if that makes more sense

right turn right lane
left turn left lane
straight ahead both lanes


it is not that hard

[aussiblue]

I admit, it would appear you don't have to indicate right.

Worse, if the cam driver did indicate right, then vehicles behind and adjacent to him should then assume cam driver is actually going to change lanes and move from the left lane to the right lane rather than continue in the left lane and take the next exit, creating more confusion and chaos.

[marty351]

After seeing aerial view, I was wrong. Red car at fault. But cam car should have stayed in his lane.

[ozpacman]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

This is just going around in circles.

I agree mate - much more of this and I could end up taking a turn...

[Citroënbender]

So long as you don’t roll over.

Smashing debate, we have really put a good dent in the issue. It’s down to the line now and we need to be careful not to end up on the skids.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by marty351

After seeing aerial view, I was wrong. Red car at fault. But cam car should have stayed in his lane.

He did stay in his lane....

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

Also indicators don't nullify the give way rules.

No they don't, but anyone who's sat at a dual lane roundabout in peak hour traffic, particularly when driving a heavy vehicle, will attest to how difficult it can be to pick the right time to go if you're simply relying on giving way to anything which may or may not become a hazard due to incorrect signalling etc.
Sometimes you just have to take advantage of a gap which you know has opened up and pray that someone else in the roundabout moving quicker is actually doing what they have or haven't signalled or you could sit there for ever waiting for traffic to ease.
It happens to me regularly as with the example I gave from last week.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

Point 2 says before entering the roundabout to warn others

It says more than half way round, which would suggest you were making a right hand turn as the half way point would be continuing straight ahead if a conventional cross roads with roundabout controlling flow.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

ask a Truck Driver how many times they have to let people in

PS Is that how you drove your Moped?

I don't need to ask a truck driver, I drive heavy vehicles for a living and have done so for a decade to go along with my 27yrs of driving with zero at fault accidents involving another party.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

It says more than half way round, which would suggest you were making a right hand turn as the half way point would be continuing straight ahead if a conventional cross roads with roundabout controlling flow.

Yes after reading up on the rules I was wrong on that point. All good.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by marty351

After seeing aerial view, I was wrong. Red car at fault.

Nah, you were correct all along, we're just taking the pi55....or not

[aussiblue]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/DashCamO...=page_internal

"Transport NSW has confirmed the red car was at fault as the road markings indicated it was permitted from the right lane to travel straight or right, but not left off the roundabout."

[Ratmick]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

This is just going around in circles.

I nearly left a reply but went straight to another thread by accident...

[X-AHH]

[Cav]

I hear that the driver of the red car did not have a licence so technically he could not be at fault because he was not licenced to drive.

[In Focus]

Dude in the little Fabia should know that he must ALWAYS give way to large SUV's, regardless of rules, line markings, signposts etc.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Ratmick

I nearly left a reply but went straight to another thread by accident...

I think you're right about that.

[Gothefalcon]

It may not be so "cut n dry".... Whilst the Red car probably shouldn't have tried to leave at the first exit, from the RH lane... it's hard to tell if the red car was indicating left at that moment.
The 4x4 is allowed to travel through to the 2nd exit in the LH lane.
Changing lanes on a roundabout is different to on other roads however... you are supposed to yeild to vehicles exiting a multi-lane roundabout (not impeed them), if they are ahead of your vehicle (a bit hard to tell just how far, or even if, the red car is in front of the 4x4... even slightly ahead = ahead) and you are also supposed to take action to avoid a collision (even if you are in the right) at all times.

Unfortunately it looks like neither driver was paying particular attention to the other (as in, watching out, just in case the other driver does something unexpected).
Agreed... you shouldn't have to watch out for other Drivers doing stupid things... but unfortunately that nervana doesn't exist

The difference in speeds betwen the two vehicles, also brings them to the same point on the road, at the 1st exit.

For me... they are equally at fault, but for different reasons
If I had to pick one... the worst offence would be exiting the roundabout at the 1st exit from the RH lane. The Driver in the red car would have known the 4x4 was there and should not have assumed the 4x4 would also exit, that it might continue on (as it allowed to do).

Just my 2c worth... happy to be disagreed with

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[Itsme]

Really you got to blame the little red car.....driver was using Mobile phone and not paying attention....lol

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Gothefalcon

Changing lanes on a roundabout is different to on other roads

no it's not

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I don't need to ask a truck driver, I drive heavy vehicles for a living and have done so for a decade to go along with my 27yrs of driving with zero at fault accidents involving another party.

In which case you should understand that the Ute could have avoided the situation.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

In which case you should understand that the Ute could have avoided the situation.

the ute driver was driving how most ute drivers drive

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

In which case you should understand that the Ute could have avoided the situation.

Agreed, he could have slowed right down, then if you, or 90% of the remaining driving population were behind him you'd be cutting sick because he's slowing you down which is unnecessary as has the right of way.

Fact is, if the driver of the red car had entered the roundabout in the left lane as advised on approach the ute driver would have either slowed down and followed him through or taken the right hand lane and nothing would have happened.

I have full comprehensive insurance to cover me against things like this or if I make a mistake, if its my fault ill cop it, but if it isn't then so should they.

[roKWiz]

Ok we've solved this one, someone post up a Parisian roundabout now.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

In which case you should understand that the Ute could have avoided the situation.

Hindsight is marvelous when looking at the video, too many arm chair critiques who were not in the actual drivers seat to experience the actual events unfolding.
Could the ute driver avoided the accident is something you, I or others will never know.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Hindsight is marvelous when looking at the video, too many arm chair critiques who were not in the actual drivers seat to experience the actual events unfolding.
Could the ute driver avoided the accident is something you, I or others will never know.

Yes, and if you slowed for every driver you come by that pauses, baulks, slows, fa*ts, that is supposed to be in another lane, you would never get anywhere.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Hindsight is marvelous when looking at the video, too many arm chair critiques who were not in the actual drivers seat to experience the actual events unfolding.
Could the ute driver avoided the accident is something you, I or others will never know.

It not Hindsight its foresight @0.20 from the divers seat in that ute (a good driver) should be able to identify what was about to happen.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Ok we've solved this one, someone post up a Parisian roundabout now.

The Périphérique?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

It not Hindsight its foresight @0.20 from the divers seat in that ute (a good driver) should be able to identify what was about to happen.

We all can identify a lot of things that can happen but reaction can be a bit slower at times, you were not there so your comment is not valid.

[Cav]

The driver of the red car was a female.

Case closed.