Will the Holden brand survive? - Page 4

Bossxr8 · 24-04-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

They will not lift a finger to increase hand built production line.

Not the way i heard it, more like don't get your hopes up........

LHD Production at Flat Rock had dropped away to about 7,000/mth but
there's no interest in increasing RHD production, why is that?
Maybe UK has its fill of Mustangs and its down to us as the major RHD market...

So they will do nothing to grow the Mustang range with extra models to help keep interest going, and to increase sales?

Sounds like a great strategy

Syndrome · 24-04-2018, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So they will do nothing to grow the Mustang range with extra models to help keep interest going, and to increase sales?

Sounds like a great strategy

That is Ford for ya.

au350hp · 24-04-2018, 06:34 PM

Everything will be alright. Melbourne Storm's Cameron Smith is a Holden ambassador. He will save them

jpd80 · 24-04-2018, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So they will do nothing to grow the Mustang range with extra models to help keep interest going, and to increase sales?

Sounds like a great strategy

From what i gather, the issue is mostly this end (lack of vision/balls)

roddy1960 · 24-04-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So they will do nothing to grow the Mustang range with extra models to help keep interest going, and to increase sales?

Sounds like a great strategy

Same as usual is pretty accurate I think . Given that they plan on selling 9,000 in Australia this year our dribbley mob should be demanding at least a Performance Pack or two in among the GT's even if the 350 is out of the question. Otherwise the RHD converted HSV built Camaro is going to eat into the great start the Mustangs have made .

Especially now that Supercars is going to be the Ford product from 2019 onwards a special Mustang offered for sale would make great sense surely .

It bugs me somewhat that so far the Mustang GT is only good for 306 KW other than the Tickford enhanced ones and the outgoing Falcon XR8 Sprint was good for nearly 40 more kilowatts (345) without overboost and the XR6 was about 20 KW more without overboost .

C'mon Aussie Ford boffins and make a racket to get a few extra fast Mustangs to celebrate before it's too late like everything else you do .

**DFB FGXR6** · 24-04-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

Same as usual is pretty accurate I think . Given that they plan on selling 9,000 in Australia this year our dribbley mob should be demanding at least a Performance Pack or two in among the GT's even if the 350 is out of the question. Otherwise the RHD converted HSV built Camaro is going to eat into the great start the Mustangs have made .

Especially now that Supercars is going to be the Ford product from 2019 onwards a special Mustang offered for sale would make great sense surely .

It bugs me somewhat that so far the Mustang GT is only good for 306 KW other than the Tickford enhanced ones and the outgoing Falcon XR8 Sprint was good for nearly 40 more kilowatts (345) without overboost and the XR6 was about 20 KW more without overboost .

C'mon Aussie Ford boffins and make a racket to get a few extra fast Mustangs to celebrate before it's too late like everything else you do .

The Mustang GT is significantly lighter than a V8 Falcon though. Having both a 335 XR8 and a Mustang GT, I can say that there isn't really that much difference in how fast they are. How they go about their speed though is very different..............

roddy1960 · 24-04-2018, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The Mustang GT is significantly lighter than a V8 Falcon though. Having both a 335 XR8 and a Mustang GT, I can say that there isn't really that much difference in how fast they are. How they go about their speed though is very different..............

Fair enough , You have two beautiful reasons in your garage to know all about that . I still think that as Australia has responded in such a positive way to the Mustang , actually significantly surprised most for the demand according to what I've seen , there should be a bit of a reward with some special ponies over time . Even if it's just a bigger options opportunity as time goes on .

Syndrome · 25-04-2018, 08:55 PM

The Holden cull continues:

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/holde...-23/71991.html

roddy1960 · 26-04-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

The Holden cull continues:

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/holde...-23/71991.html

The last person leaving the showroom , please turn off the lights .

Bossxr8 · 26-04-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

Same as usual is pretty accurate I think . Given that they plan on selling 9,000 in Australia this year our dribbley mob should be demanding at least a Performance Pack or two in among the GT's even if the 350 is out of the question. Otherwise the RHD converted HSV built Camaro is going to eat into the great start the Mustangs have made .

Especially now that Supercars is going to be the Ford product from 2019 onwards a special Mustang offered for sale would make great sense surely .

It bugs me somewhat that so far the Mustang GT is only good for 306 KW other than the Tickford enhanced ones and the outgoing Falcon XR8 Sprint was good for nearly 40 more kilowatts (345) without overboost and the XR6 was about 20 KW more without overboost .

C'mon Aussie Ford boffins and make a racket to get a few extra fast Mustangs to celebrate before it's too late like everything else you do .

The 2018 Mustang has 345 ish kw and the auto's can do 100 in under 4 seconds. Have seen as fast as 11.8 quarter mile stock in the US. As good as the Miami's were the new gen mustangs have the edge now.

Syndrome · 26-04-2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The 2018 Mustang has 345 ish kw and the auto's can do 100 in under 4 seconds. Have seen as fast as 11.8 quarter mile stock in the US. As good as the Miami's were the new gen mustangs have the edge now.

The full monty version of the Miami was never released. That would have been a giant killer of an engine.

jpd80 · 26-04-2018, 09:57 PM

Back in the real world, 500 hp out of a Coyote is withing reach with a tune.

Although called a MT82-4, the new close ratio box in '18 Mustang should be
familiar to FPV buyers, it's now a TR6060.

roddy1960 · 26-04-2018, 10:25 PM

Once upon a time ago , far far away in another car era.......................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iloiMPa-wew

jpd80 · 27-04-2018, 04:13 PM

unfortunately they couldn’t stand competition, almost everyone switched when new competition offered a wider choice of vehicles

Syndrome · 27-04-2018, 06:54 PM

I dropped into the Barry Bourke Holden dealer this afternoon to see what they had on display. A salesmen comes outside to see if he can 'hook one'. I tell him they probably can't sell a ZB Commodore to last week's division 1 lottery winner. "Oh we are selling many of them". ****ing liar.

roddy1960 · 27-04-2018, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

I dropped into the Barry Bourke Holden dealer this afternoon to see what they had on display. A salesmen comes outside to see of he can 'hook one'. I tell him they probably can't sell a ZB Commodore to last week's division 1 lottery winner. "Oh we are selling many of them". ****ing liar.

How long did his nose grow after he said that ?

Was he as convincing (not) as this lame vomit promoting insipid effort Syndrome ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03o1W-Sln9c OH dear , Makes even Ngaire sound convincing

mr smith · 27-04-2018, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

How long did his nose grow after he said that ?

Was he as convincing (not) as this lame vomit promoting insipid effort Syndrome ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03o1W-Sln9c OH dear , Makes even Ngaire sound convincing

Thats sad..

jpd80 · 27-04-2018, 09:05 PM

This reminds me of Ford dealers trying to sell Taurus Ghia all those years ago..
Great car but people just couldn't get past the looks and what it was, FWD.

First job is to get people into the showroom, fail that and all the rest is for nought..

.:4:. · 27-04-2018, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy1960

How long did his nose grow after he said that ?

Was he as convincing (not) as this lame vomit promoting insipid effort Syndrome ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03o1W-Sln9c OH dear , Makes even Ngaire sound convincing

Is there anything the new commodore can't do the guy asks in the video. 3 thing spring to mind, power oversteer, doughnuts, or sell.

MITCHAY · 27-04-2018, 11:51 PM

I have seen a few Stingers but have yet to see one ZB 'fake' Commodore in Canberra.

They are truly ****ed.

eb2fairmont · 28-04-2018, 12:32 AM

Ive seen one zb

I see more 107 and 116 series Mercedes more often

Vormund · 28-04-2018, 06:09 AM

I've seen one ZB (I think it was a base model) and multiple Stingers.

TBH, I don't think the ZB is a bad car in isolation, but considering what it is up against and what it replaces....yeah not looking good.

hackney · 28-04-2018, 08:06 AM

Have been following a feed on the automotive section of Whirlpool Forums.One of the posters is obviously a Holden dealership employee.He was saying(in reply to another poster.) that they have let go quite a few employees over the past few years.He was also saying that their service dept is dead in the car servicing area.He also believes that the ZB is overpriced.Cheers

Syndrome · 28-04-2018, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hackney

Have been following a feed on the automotive section of Whirlpool Forums.One of the posters is obviously a Holden dealership employee.He was saying(in reply to another poster.) that they have let go quite a few employees over the past few years.He was also saying that their service dept is dead in the car servicing area.He also believes that the ZB is overpriced.Cheers

Link?

roddy1960 · 28-04-2018, 09:35 AM

To be fair I found this on my usual scroll through car You Tube vids last night .
Here's the RS Commodore (choke whenever I say or type that) but regardless Commodore 4 cylinder 2.0 Turbo version .

The car itself is okay but it's compromised in various ways even in this market being the mid sized one and same with the V6 with competition there . Holden needed to recognise it's just not a standout anywhere. Serious revamp very quickly or it's a dead duck if not already . The bloke said that the Holden release was the catalyst for this comparison .

Actually not a bad review for the family market between the Holden , Subaru Liberty , Toyota Camry and Ford Mondeo .

Quite enjoyed the aspects the bloke focused on .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQ7GQbn0e8

rjk74 · 28-04-2018, 05:29 PM

I see one every day, on a advertising billboard on the side of the fish shop down the road. Wow there bland compared to the last commodore.

PooDog · 28-04-2018, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The 2018 Mustang has 345 ish kw and the auto's can do 100 in under 4 seconds. Have seen as fast as 11.8 quarter mile stock in the US. As good as the Miami's were the new gen mustangs have the edge now.

Sure the N/A coyote is impressive .....but they don't have the edge over the Miami the auto is the main benefit the mustang torque peak is at 4600rpm the auto is keeping it close to peak ...the Miami's torque peak which is the same is flat from 2200rpm to 5500rpm .....no comparison .....and as for them being 10kw up on Miami any tuner will tell you the 335kw figure is under rated some are close to making that at the wheels

Bossxr8 · 01-05-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by muzman

Sure the N/A coyote is impressive .....but they don't have the edge over the Miami the auto is the main benefit the mustang torque peak is at 4600rpm the auto is keeping it close to peak ...the Miami's torque peak which is the same is flat from 2200rpm to 5500rpm .....no comparison .....and as for them being 10kw up on Miami any tuner will tell you the 335kw figure is under rated some are close to making that at the wheels

Correct. But its also slower. The numbers don’t lie.

And there’s also the fact one of them is now extinct.

Mercury Bullet · 01-05-2018, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Correct. But its also slower. The numbers don’t lie.

And there’s also the fact one of them is now extinct.

I think it will be interesting.
Miami will get hammered to 100 no doubt, but I want to see how they hang on from 100-250.
That's where the relentless power of the Miami shines.

On overboost it has a healthy advantage.

Good times.

Bossxr8 · 01-05-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

I think it will be interesting.
Miami will get hammered to 100 no doubt, but I want to see how they hang on from 100-250.
That's where the relentless power of the Miami shines.

On overboost it has a healthy advantage.

Good times.

The miami would eventually run it down but it would take a lot of road. The mph the stangs are running prove its no slouch though.