March 2018 VFACTS: Big brands bomb

Syndrome · 04-04-2018, 05:33 PM

https://www.motoring.com.au/march-vf...s-bomb-111908/

"Once again Holden sold fewer than 1000 Commodores last month, but that figure is likely to decline further since we understand almost half of them were homegrown VFII Commodores now out of production."

Adamz Ghia · 04-04-2018, 06:35 PM

I reckon Mitsubishi are punching well above their weight!

Brazen · 04-04-2018, 06:53 PM

You are going to see weird months like this as the passenger car market transitions fully to SUVs

Ben73 · 04-04-2018, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

I reckon Mitsubishi are punching well above their weight!

I don't know anything about the Eclipse Cross, but do they make anything that is even remotely close to being a segment leader?
The Pajero Sport seams to go well, but every other model seams very, very average compared to their competitors.

**DFB FGXR6** · 04-04-2018, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

I reckon Mitsubishi are punching well above their weight!

Fleet.
Rental.
Heavy discounting.

Average products but they "do the job".

vztrt · 04-04-2018, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Fleet.
Rental.
Heavy discounting.

Average products but they "do the job".

Do the job seems to be fine with the cars that are top sellers.

jpd80 · 04-04-2018, 10:18 PM

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Likewise all models from fifth-placed Ford (almost 6700 sales – down 2.4%) lodged sales slides –
except Mustang, EcoSport, Everest, Transit and Ranger, which found about 4065
to lie within 200 of HiLux as the nation’s second top seller.

Interesting....

Sprintey · 05-04-2018, 02:36 AM

Holden overtaken by Subaru. Who woulda ever thunk it?

jayjay99 · 05-04-2018, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

https://www.motoring.com.au/march-vf...s-bomb-111908/

"Once again Holden sold fewer than 1000 Commodores last month, but that figure is likely to decline further since we understand almost half of them were homegrown VFII Commodores now out of production."

No kidding.

jayjay99 · 05-04-2018, 05:28 AM

[QUOTE=Brazen;6112596]You are going to see weird months like this as the passenger car market transitions fully to SUVs[/QUOTE

This happened two years ago.

Bossxr8 · 05-04-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Interesting....

How can they say most of the range dropped in sales except the 3/4 of the range that they listed

The ZB Commodore has completely tanked. Only 516 sales, and nearly outsold by old stocks of VF II

simon varley · 05-04-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Do the job seems to be fine with the cars that are top sellers.

and that's what enthusiasts can't seem to understand - average punters only want average cars that do the job with no fuss. Personally I hate the thought of that, but the numbers tell the truth.

Syndrome · 05-04-2018, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

How can they say most of the range dropped in sales except the 3/4 of the range that they listed

The ZB Commodore has completely tanked. Only 516 sales, and nearly outsold by old stocks of VF II

And those numbers would include a lot of demo models registered by the dealers.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/637119/...vehicle-sales/

Pepscobra · 05-04-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

I reckon Mitsubishi are punching well above their weight!

I've been working away a fair bit lately and my rental car has been a new ASX.
I wouldn't normally admit this, but I really do like it. Not an expensive car and it doesn't pretend to be, but a great SUV nonetheless. I can see why Mitsubishi are on the up.

Windsor220 · 05-04-2018, 07:12 PM

Mitsus are simple, fairly reliable, decent warranty and are usually cheap compared to their competitors. Its almost the Toyota philosophy if you ignore the price.

Syndrome · 05-04-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Mitsus are simple, fairly reliable, decent warranty and are usually cheap compared to their competitors. Its almost the Toyota philosophy if you ignore the price.

Wasn't always that way. 20 years ago their transmissions had poor reliability. Ask anybody who owned a TE/KE Magna/Verada.

jpd80 · 05-04-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

How can they say most of the range dropped in sales except the 3/4 of the range that they listed

The ZB Commodore has completely tanked. Only 516 sales, and nearly outsold by old stocks of VF II

Mustang (705) plus Ranger (4065) + Everest (??) probably out sold the whole of Holden
but at an average transaction price of well above $55,000...Now that's impressive.

GCRXR6 · 05-04-2018, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

Wasn't always that way. 20 years ago their transmissions had poor reliability. Ask anybody who owned a TE/KE Magna/Verada.

I knew of a few Magnas that had non corrosive cooling systems........Engine oil in the cooling system....marvelous.

Rob 351 · 06-04-2018, 11:18 AM

Holden’s top selling vehicle in March was the Colorado in 20th position with 1487 sales. How have the bean counters and head honchos at Holden get this so wrong? I really can’t see them getting out of this one and yet they are still tipping millions into Supercars!!
I wouldn’t want them running my business that’s for sure!

jpd80 · 06-04-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob 351

Holden’s top selling vehicle in March was the Colorado in 20th position with 1487 sales. How have the bean counters and head honchos at Holden get this so wrong? I really can’t see them getting out of this one and yet they are still tipping millions into Supercars!!
I wouldn’t want them running my business that’s for sure!

what's even more hilarious is that when faced with these facts, Holden supporters
desperately point out that Ranger is 60% of total sales is dangerous and that Ford
is imperiled just as much as Holden.....

I'm gonna check to see if Holden is still in the top ten next month before responding...

Windsor220 · 06-04-2018, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

what's even more hilarious is that when faced with these facts, Holden supporters
desperately point out that Ranger is 60% of total sales is dangerous and that Ford
is imperiled just as much as Holden.....

I'm gonna check to see if Holden is still in the top ten next month before responding...

Lol yeah having your best selling model in the most popular category is worse than having your best selling model in a dead one.

Bossxr8 · 06-04-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob 351

Holden’s top selling vehicle in March was the Colorado in 20th position with 1487 sales. How have the bean counters and head honchos at Holden get this so wrong? I really can’t see them getting out of this one and yet they are still tipping millions into Supercars!!
I wouldn’t want them running my business that’s for sure!

They had really high hopes for the Equinox, but after being on sale for a few months now they sold like 370 of them. That is a massive failure. They were hoping to sell about 1000 of them a month.

Look out for some massive discounts on it soon to clear old stock, just like the Astra that also tanked.

Holden is going down the gurgler fast.

hackney · 06-04-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

what's even more hilarious is that when faced with these facts, Holden supporters
desperately point out that Ranger is 60% of total sales is dangerous and that Ford
is imperiled just as much as Holden.....

I'm gonna check to see if Holden is still in the top ten next month before responding...

But,if you take Ranger out of the equation,they would be in a bit of trouble.Toyota on the other hand has strong sales in ALL categories.They are very,very lucky that Ranger is doing exceptionally well.Cheers

Brazen · 06-04-2018, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hackney

They are very,very lucky that Ranger is doing exceptionally well.Cheers

Its not just luck, the Ranger is designed and engineered in Australia - so a very good vehicle.

hackney · 06-04-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Its not just luck, the Ranger is designed and engineered in Australia - so a very good vehicle.

And so is Hilux a very good vehicle,both worthy competitors.But as I alluded to,if not for Ranger,where would Ford be? They have nothing that is doing remotely as well as Ranger in sales.Cheers

jpd80 · 06-04-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hackney

But,if you take Ranger out of the equation,they would be in a bit of trouble.Toyota on the other hand has strong sales in ALL categories.They are very,very lucky that Ranger is doing exceptionally well.Cheers

Luck has nothing to do with it, good design, promotion and most importantly, perseverance.
lf Ranger was just another Meh tuk tuk like the previous Mazda design, nothing would have changed.
Now we see Everest consistently selling over 400/mth even with its high +$55K starting price.

and while were playing ifs and buts, let's take VFII out of the equation...
Oh wait...

The Stylist · 06-04-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They had really high hopes for the Equinox, but after being on sale for a few months now they sold like 370 of them. That is a massive failure. They were hoping to sell about 1000 of them a month.

Look out for some massive discounts on it soon to clear old stock, just like the Astra that also tanked.

Holden is going down the gurgler fast.

I'm not surprised with the Equinox's average sales performance; whilst it's a massive improvement over the Captiva, it still is saddled with stale looks, harsh cabin plastics and a engine that's a tad unrefined when you push it along.

Windsor220 · 06-04-2018, 06:00 PM

Equinox isnt exactly the greatest name either.

csv8 · 06-04-2018, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Equinox isnt exactly the greatest name either.

What about Endura ?

Rob 351 · 06-04-2018, 06:21 PM

Presumably the Holden Equinox is the same as the Chev version which sells quite well in the States.
All a drop in the ocean compared to F Truck sales though.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/04...ehicle-ranked/

Must be good to be a Ford dealership in the States.