Covid 19 -

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Anyone read this article from The Daily Mail?

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...DailyTelegraph

Is this good or bad for us? Reads like we participated and sponsored the research.
But it reads like the same thing being said for the past few weeks but in a different way. I find it amazing how they can have all this intel, yet didn't know there was a virus that was human transmittable.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Is this good or bad for us? Reads like we participated and sponsored the research.
But it reads like the same thing being said for the past few weeks but in a different way. I find it amazing how they can have all this intel, yet didn't know there was a virus that was human transmittable.

It's bad for us I believe. We're part of the 5 eyes group, it's unimaginable our intelligence agencies didn't know what was going on. It was discussed in 2014/15 to stop further research as reached by consensus of the scientific community, unless the intent was to further develop it to create a pandemic. Well guess what, some 5 years on and this is exactly what has happened.

China is rightfully ****ed off about an investigation some might say, because the US and AUS aren't interested in looking in their own back yard as to the origin of this virus.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Is this good or bad for us? Reads like we participated and sponsored the research.
But it reads like the same thing being said for the past few weeks but in a different way. I find it amazing how they can have all this intel, yet didn't know there was a virus that was human transmittable.

Like I said, Wackos will spew their rubbish on the internet.

Smart people will filter this and form their own opinions.

The simple answer is the believable one, the wacko one is not 👍

[Fordman1]

This is the world of Wacko conspiracy theories being post here and everywhere ��

The problem is dumb people believe this rubbish “because it’s on the internet”.

[Work Horse]

“Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.”

[Franco Cozzo]

“And I do think it’s important to note that Chinese diplomats are behaving similarly in a number of countries. It’s not just in Australia. Why this is happening is because China knows if they get painted with allowing Covid-19 to spread to the world, it will do significant damage to their soft power.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...of-a-trade-war

[Franco Cozzo]

While kinda related to COVID-19, given the increase in e-sports at the moment because of the restrictions, this is an interesting one:

Victorian men hit with corruption charges over alleged esports match fixing

Five men have been charged with match-fixing offences as part of the first Australian criminal investigation into esports.

Key points:

Some of the charges carry maximum penalties of 10 years in jail
The men, aged between 20 and 27, have been charged with using corrupt information for betting purposes
Police said last year, up to $30,000 had been won by betting on the matches involved

"The sheer volume of young men involved in gambling, both in high school and in universities, is at epidemic proportions.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...ralia/12209154

[Franco Cozzo]

DHS report: China hid virus’ severity to hoard supplies

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials believe China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak — and how contagious the disease is — to stock up on medical supplies needed to respond to it, intelligence documents show.

Chinese leaders “intentionally concealed the severity” of the pandemic from the world in early January, according to a four-page Department of Homeland Security intelligence report dated May 1 and obtained by The Associated Press. The revelation comes as the Trump administration has intensified its criticism of China, with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo saying Sunday that that country was responsible for the spread of disease and must be held accountable.

https://apnews.com/bf685dcf52125be54...&utm_medium=AP

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://apnews.com/bf685dcf52125be54...&utm_medium=AP

“And so, while the intelligence community continues to do its work, they should continue to do that, and verify so that we are certain, I can tell you that there is a significant amount of evidence that this came from that laboratory in Wuhan.”

Stupid internet conspiracy theory.

[cheap]

There have been rumours of the synthetic nature of C19 ever since its gene sequencing was plotted. Look up pShuttle and Covid-19. The mere suggestion of this has been rebutted mostly by scientists who have Chinese surnames! (go figure)

So here’s more smoke.

2008 Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier (he discovered HIV) said that COVID-19 coronavirus disease was artificially created in a lab by biologists working on an AIDS vaccine.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lu...d-created-lab/

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by cheap

There have been rumours of the synthetic nature of C19 ever since its gene sequencing was plotted. Look up pShuttle and Covid-19. The mere suggestion of this has been rebutted mostly by scientists who have Chinese surnames! (go figure)

So here’s more smoke.

2008 Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier (he discovered HIV) said that COVID-19 coronavirus disease was artificially created in a lab by biologists working on an AIDS vaccine.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lu...d-created-lab/

Nice try, but you forgot to quote other parts of the article.


"While Montagnier truly made these statements, his theory that COVID-19 was artificially created in an attempt to create an AIDS vaccine has been widely disputed by scientists.

Virologist Etienne Simon-Lorière from the Pasteur Institute in Paris called the theory absurd, saying:

That does not make sense. These are very small elements that are found in other viruses of the same family, other coronaviruses in nature… These are pieces of the genome that actually look like lots of sequences in the genetic material of bacteria, viruses and plants.

If we take a word from a book and that word resembles that of another book, can we say that one has copied from the other?… It’s absurd. "

[cheap]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Nice try, but you forgot to quote other parts of the article.


"While Montagnier truly made these statements, his theory that COVID-19 was artificially created in an attempt to create an AIDS vaccine has been widely disputed by scientists.

Virologist Etienne Simon-Lorière from the Pasteur Institute in Paris called the theory absurd, saying:

That does not make sense. These are very small elements that are found in other viruses of the same family, other coronaviruses in nature… These are pieces of the genome that actually look like lots of sequences in the genetic material of bacteria, viruses and plants.

If we take a word from a book and that word resembles that of another book, can we say that one has copied from the other?… It’s absurd. "

And back to you...

Etienne Simon-Lorière seems to frequently appear in published medical papers alongside other doctors with Chinese surnames (just saying). His institute seems to have funded/financial ties to the China Wuhan lab (just saying).

That smoke just keeps on coming, maybe there’s a fire somewhere?

It's not as if the Chinese would leave too many clues but you might get lucky...

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[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://apnews.com/bf685dcf52125be54...&utm_medium=AP

So.....a week ago the US intelligence agencies came out publicly stating there is no evidence that the virus came from a lab. Then this gets leaked...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-207244


Then a week later a memo comes out saying there is strong evidence its from a lab.

5 eyes. Canada, UK and NZ have been very quiet. So much so Justin is being trolled on the internet for being a closet communist. UK have said now is not the right time, because they are relying on PPE from China. NZ...not a peep.

It has as much credibility as China sharing a dossier with Russia, Iran and North Korea and claiming it as fact.

What we aussies don't get to see is what is actually happening in other parts of the world. What do you think of this? (RFI outlet is owned by the French government.)

http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200429...ome-from-china

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by t3rminator

so.....a week ago the us intelligence agencies came out publicly stating there is no evidence that the virus came from a lab. Then this gets leaked...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-207244


then a week later a memo comes out saying there is strong evidence its from a lab.

5 eyes. Canada, uk and nz have been very quiet. So much so justin is being trolled on the internet for being a closet communist. Uk have said now is not the right time, because they are relying on ppe from china. Nz...not a peep.

It has as much credibility as china sharing a dossier with russia, iran and north korea and claiming it as fact.

What we aussies don't get to see is what is actually happening in other parts of the world. What do you think of this? (rfi outlet is owned by the french government.)

http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200429...ome-from-china

# 2604

[zipping]

Professor Michael Levitt is not an epidemiologist. He’s Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry for “the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.” He’s a numbers guy

https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-pri...r-exponential/

I think the policy of herd immunity is the right policy. I think Britain was on exactly the right track before they were fed wrong numbers. And they made a huge mistake. I see the standout winners as Germany and Sweden. They didn’t practise too much lockdown and they got enough people sick to get some herd immunity. I see the standout losers as countries like Austria, Australia and Israel that had very strict lockdown but didn’t have many cases. They have damaged their economies, caused massive social damage, damaged the educational year of their children, but not obtained any herd immunity.
“There is no doubt in my mind, that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.
“the beginning of the epidemics showed a slowing down and it was very hard for me to believe that those three countries could practise social distancing as well as China.” He believes that both some degree of prior immunity and large numbers of asymptomatic cases are important factors.

[CoupeKing]

[russellw]

Australia. 18 new cases, 2 deaths so the CMR is up to 1.397% while active cases are down to 13.1%. NSW recorded 4; Victoria had 13 and Queensland 1 with the remaining States having no new cases.

NZ had 2 new cases and no deaths so the CMR drops to 1.345% and active cases to 13.6%.

The UK showed some positive signs with just over 4k new cases and 300 deaths so the CMR improved to 15.244% although active cases rose slightly to 84.4%.

The USA also had a small improvement with new cases below 30k and the CMR dropping to 5.775% while active cases also dropped to 79.3%.

[Franco Cozzo]

One of Australia's top advisers to the World Health Health Organisation refuses to download the government's coronavirus tracking app.

University of NSW professor Mary-Louise McLaws said until she knew more about where the data it collected was stored and secured, she couldn't install it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpression=true

Oh and a conveniently timed data breach:

Privacy experts have blasted the home affairs department for a data breach revealing the personal details of 774,000 migrants and people aspiring to migrate to Australia, including partial names and the outcome of applications.

At a time the federal government is asking Australians to trust the security of data collected by its Covid-Safe contact tracing app, privacy experts are appalled by the breach, which they say is just the latest in a long line of cybersecurity blunders.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...00000-migrants

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...mpression=true

GovCo provided the source code. The URL's are in plain text. The data seems to be stored in AWS. Altassian appears in the source code. Someone took a screen shot of the Applications Console

As for the data, being AWS it is likely hosted in several local data centres (Sydney/Melbourne/Canberra) take your pick. It possibly has geo-redundant backups around the world.

Whilst the data is deleted after 21 days, in my experience backups always seem to linger about for years and years. Then there is the risk of someone with authority taking an offline local backup. If the data is overseas then the overseas data administrator is God. Having implemented many systems the inevitable conclusion is that data is never truly secure.

[russellw]

Before we get too far out in the political backwaters....

Here are the two graphs for countries that are trending downward in their new cases per 100k population numbers. Ireland and Belgium have been making inroads but these have flattened off the last few days while Sweden has seen a sharp downturn for reasons that aren't yet apparent.





... and the ones that are going in the opposite direction:

[nstg8a]

The virus doesn’t need to be man made or synthetic to have been a deliberate release.

Take the emotion out of it.

China did not stop its citizens leaving a known hot spot.

The who tried to discourage sovereign nations from closing their own borders.

Chinese citizens have been found all over the world to have been buying up ppe and medical supplies in countries prior to covid 19 becoming a pandemic. (Then there’s the Italian job)

China is now attempting to use its economic power to shut down any independent inquiry into the origins of covid 19.

Chinese business interests are amongst the best placed to take advantage of failing western businesses due to covid 19.

One belt, one road. Research that and make up your own mind...

(By research I don’t mean YouTube either aph.gov.au has some good information )


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[Romulus]

Some interesting numbers and stats to glean from this data from CDC.gov.

1. There’s a delayed response in listing all deaths from CV-19, but the number quoted is 37,308
2. The percent of expected deaths is trending around average or as expected.
3. Death from pneumonia falling.
4. Most noticeable, column 1 includes deaths with PRESUMED COVID-19.

There’s anecdotal evidence death certificates are being changed to COVID-19 deaths.

[cheap]

Australia prepare yourself for even more invasive tracking !

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/0...sitor_logging/

Singapore to require smartphone check-ins at all businesses and will log visitors' national identity numbers

Even parks and train stations encouraged to use QR codes. Which may show the limits of Bluetooth contact-tracing!

Singapore will from May 12th require all businesses to adopt a system that checks visitors into and out of their premises using their smartphones, and has already made using the system compulsory before entering some venues.

Called “SafeEntry”, the system is designed to enhance Singapore's coronavirus contact-tracing capabilities and requires visitors to either scan a QR code or allow their phones to be scanned to record a barcode in the national e-services app. That scans are taken when visitors enter and exit a premises.

Singapore’s Ministry of Health says the service logs names, national identity numbers (or the equivalent for long-term residents) and mobile phone numbers, plus the time a user entered and exited a venue.

The resulting data is uploaded to a cloud service where, the Ministry says, it will only be used “by authorised personnel for contact tracing purposes, and stringent measures are in place to safeguard the data in accordance with the Government’s data security standards.”

Singapore’s introducing the service in response as part of its effort to lift coronavirus-related restrictions on movement. After initially doing well to quell the virus’ spread, the city-state recorded a spike in cases with most found in dormitories used to house foreign workers. The increase in cases prompted a new round of restrictions, dubbed “circuit breaker” measures. Now the national government wants to ease those restrictions and set Singapore on a road to just-about-normal from June 1st. To get there it is telling citizens it needs SafeEntry to improve contact-tracing.

While SafeEntry will be compulsory in all businesses and for those entering public venues like shopping malls, even train stations and parks will be encouraged to display barcodes so that visitors can check in and out.

Singapore was one of the first nations to adopt a Bluetooth-powered contact-tracing app, fueling plenty of global debate about the best way to deploy the technology. SafeEntry will advance that debate as its introduction surely suggests that contact-tracing apps have their limitations.

SafeEntry was developed by the same government agency that created TraceTogether. The latter was open-sourced – perhaps SafeEntry will be too! ®

[guzzis3]

How is Sweden's death rate trending ?

[Tickford.]

Brazil's president said this is "just a little flu" early into the pandemic, and has continued to play down the severity of the virus. He sacked his federal police chief, and his health minister for supporting isolation as a tool to contain the spread of the virus. As a result, the justice and security minister, has also resigned.

How is this "little flue" going in Brazil russelw? TIA.

[CyberWasp]

My stupid question of the day.

Even if China was comprehensively proven by every court in the world to be responsible for all of this, then how would you collect and or enforce the penalty?

It would be like the previous photo of the guy walking up to the tank with a bill to give them.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

My stupid question of the day.

Even if China was comprehensively proven by every court in the world to be responsible for all of this, then how would you collect and or enforce the penalty?

It would be like the previous photo of the guy walking up to the tank with a bill to give them.

In a government I lead, we will write China a letter telling them how disappointed we are with them

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

In a government I lead, we will write China a letter telling them how disappointed we are with them

Can we frown sternly at them as well??? Like this...

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by superyob

Can we frown sternly at them as well??? Like this...

That's a bit risky, isn't it? They might frown back, then what would we do?

[MITCHAY]

You're dreaming if you think anyone is going to get any compo from China. It isn't going to happen, at least by them agreeing to pay anything.

The best (if anything) that will happen is we find out the what, the where, and the why and have a plan to mitigate future pandemics. This all we are asking for.

I have to laugh at them lashing out at our media though. Well that's the difference between a free press and yours. Ours can write whatever the **** they feel like but they can be sued.

When we read your media we know it is state sponsored you dumb ****s.