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Old 07-03-2019, 12:24 PM   #31
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GUESS WHAT GUESS WHAT GUESS WHAT....YAHOO...WOOHOO...Looks like they have finally found the problem.

I may be jumping the gun here but my Ford dealer has just called me and said that after looking at the car, reviewing the videos and checking all software and reported codes they have said the the gearbox failures are due to a faulty EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) Valve. They have advised that the fault with the valve will present itself after some distance of driving first which explains to me why it happens on my trips like Melb - Syd.

My normal trip between Melb and Syd is always with the cruise control set and the odd times, if my bladder lasts, they may be non stop for the some 900klm trip or most times just one stop for the toilet so the car is not stopping and starting It may also explain why I always got around 6.2 to 6.4 liters per 100klm fuel economy and then suddenly started getting 5.5 which I thought was pretty strange, and did advise the Ford dealer of this but not sure if it was an indicator of anything.

Well, the Ford dealer is waiting for the part to arrive tomorrow and will advise. I am in Melb this weekend but not sure if it will be ready so have flights booked and paid for out of Melb on Monday and won't be back home for 2 weeks. It will be a very cautious drive in it for a little while until I can become confident in the Mondeo again.

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Old 07-03-2019, 02:37 PM   #32
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GUESS WHAT GUESS WHAT GUESS WHAT....YAHOO...WOOHOO...Looks like they have finally found the problem.

they have said the the gearbox failures are due to a faulty EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) Valve.


Fingers crossed
Fingers crossed indeed. Good luck.

Did they explain why a faulty EGR valve fault results a the gearbox failure? On the surface the two seem completely unrelated to me.

Hopefully it's fixed. If not I'd be getting a lawyer and seeking a refund on the car. Here's some inspiration:

https://autoexpert.com.au/videoblog/...the-court-said
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Old 07-03-2019, 03:05 PM   #33
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Thanks Mate...they said the Gearbox or Transmission Error occurs when the valve is affecting the engine and the transmission can't cope, or doesn't know how to cope with what is happening to the engine hence disengaging and then try and engage again, disengage, try and engage etc

Geeze, I loved my old 250 TC Cortina...simply a proven engine on wheels, then my TD Cortina, skipped the TE and etc. The only Ford I have dislike was the BA Series 2 Fairmont Ghia but that was coming from my incredibly fantastic AU Fairmont Wagon
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:55 PM   #34
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Transmission Error occurs when the valve is affecting the engine and the transmission can't cope, or doesn't know how to cope with what is happening to the engine hence disengaging and then try and engage again, disengage, try and engage etc
Presumably the EGR fault would be logged in which case it's absurd it's taken so long to diagnose the potential cause. Maybe it's another one of those magical disappearing ford fault codes.

Anyway, good luck with it all. I've been through my own mondeo transmission woes so know it's not pleasant. Mine has been fixed for 2 yrs now and I still get nervous every time it feels a bit abnormal.
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:04 PM   #35
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Hi Ibaker, am watching this with interest. I've been thinking of buying one of these but will definitely hold off, and keep my car which has a torque converter......
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:25 PM   #36
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Hi Ibaker, am watching this with interest. I've been thinking of buying one of these but will definitely hold off, and keep my car which has a torque converter......
Petrol models have a torque converter, so unless you must have a wagon, or a diesel, I'd get the petrol one instead.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:16 PM   #37
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Petrol models have a torque converter, so unless you must have a wagon, or a diesel, I'd get the petrol one instead.
The old NA peteol did. I think the ecoboost petrol has the powershift.
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:39 PM   #38
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The old NA peteol did. I think the ecoboost petrol has the powershift.
True for MC. With the MD, Ecoboost models also went to torque converter.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:58 PM   #39
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Petrol models have a torque converter, so unless you must have a wagon, or a diesel, I'd get the petrol one instead.
yes, I must have a wagon. Having had falcon wagons (great cars but thirsty) I'd really like the economy of the diesel.
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yes, I must have a wagon. Having had falcon wagons (great cars but thirsty) I'd really like the economy of the diesel.
I don't think anyone should be too frightened of buying a Mondeo with the DCT transmission. Being a wet clutch DCT they are far removed from the issues that affected the Focus.

While owners have experienced issues with this transmission in the past there are many that are approaching and have exceeded 200000km. Aso, the Talkford website isn't describing widespread issues with this transmission.

I have a diesel hatch with DCT. I've had zero issues with transmission in 70000km. In fact, I would rate this as the best automatic transmission I've experienced.

My only concern with this vehicle is when it comes to selling. Ignorance and fear surrounding the transmission may make it a difficult car to sell.
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Old 11-03-2019, 05:23 PM   #41
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I drove the car from Melb to Syd today...I was going to do that next week but my flight this morning was cancelled and they moved me to another flight 12hrs later and I had an important meeting at 2pm...so it was 5:30am and I thought I would risk driving the car up. I drove up non stop almost breaking my bladder but had to test whether the EGR valve was the cause.

It didn't miss a beat...it was perfect, although 1 trip a solution does not make but it is looking good. The next trips will be at Easter time so I am making the assumption that those 2 trips will also be ok.

So unless it happens again I am now considering this issue as resolved...finally.

Thanks for every single one of your comments...greatly appreciated
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Great outcome, pending this continuing trouble free!
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Old 12-03-2019, 06:56 PM   #43
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Presumably the EGR fault would be logged in which case it's absurd it's taken so long to diagnose the potential cause. Maybe it's another one of those magical disappearing ford fault codes.

Anyway, good luck with it all. I've been through my own mondeo transmission woes so know it's not pleasant. Mine has been fixed for 2 yrs now and I still get nervous every time it feels a bit abnormal.
what caused your fault? was it an easy fix?
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Old 19-03-2019, 07:33 AM   #44
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This has been a very informative thread and what a read.

I hope all goes well Ian ...From what I can tell these EGR valves cause issues in all brands and models.

I found this thread searching for answers for my daughters MC petrol ecoboost that is doing the same ....Its only in traffic tho not on the open road that the Transmission engine display comes up and she has to pull over ,wait,restart and away it goes ....It only happened twice weeks apart...After the first time it was due for a service so we booked it in a made the Ford aware of the Transmission issue....they said upon return that the serviced the gearbox and changed the oil.
It happen again yesterday on her way to work...She drove it home late last night ,so I have not seen her yet to hear how it went on the return trip.

I am bit confused here...Not sure what transmission it has??...To me its a auto...put it in D and away you go.
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This has been a very informative thread and what a read.

I hope all goes well Ian ...From what I can tell these EGR valves cause issues in all brands and models.

I found this thread searching for answers for my daughters MC petrol ecoboost that is doing the same ....Its only in traffic tho not on the open road that the Transmission engine display comes up and she has to pull over ,wait,restart and away it goes ....It only happened twice weeks apart...After the first time it was due for a service so we booked it in a made the Ford aware of the Transmission issue....they said upon return that the serviced the gearbox and changed the oil.
It happen again yesterday on her way to work...She drove it home late last night ,so I have not seen her yet to hear how it went on the return trip.

I am bit confused here...Not sure what transmission it has??...To me its a auto...put it in D and away you go.
If its the DCT gearbox, it will have "Power Shift" on the selector handle. Not sure about the traditional Auto box.....
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If its the DCT gearbox, it will have "Power Shift" on the selector handle. Not sure about the traditional Auto box.....
Dual clutch transmission = "PowerShift"
Torque converter transmission = "SelectShift"

MC Duratec (petrol) = torque converter
MC EcoBoost (petrol) & Duratorq (diesel) = DCT

MD EcoBoost (petrol) = torque converter
MD Duratorq (diesel) = DCT
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I am bit confused here...Not sure what transmission it has??...To me its a auto...put it in D and away you go.
Yes, it (Powershift) changes gears automatically and the driving experience (by design) is like an auto. However the internals have a lot more in common with a manual gearbox, it swaps gears and uses a clutch (two in fact).

Another way to think of it is it's like a manual gearbox, but you have a robot operating the clutch when you request a gear change (in manual/Sport mode) or also deciding when to change gears (in D).

In practice there are some things you should be aware of or actions you should never do that you might with a torque converter (e.g. don't hold the car on an incline with the accelerator; avoid creeping in traffic), but by and large you should be able to just drive without worrying about it. 'Til it needs servicing or repair...
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Old 19-03-2019, 11:16 AM   #48
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Thx for the input...I always just assumed they(tha MA diesel and the MC Eco) were what we used to call sequential box...flick it over to the right and change gears...not that we never do....I am a old boy and keeping up is a challenge I tell you that...

The daughter is still asleep (home 3am)so we are yet to find out if she had issues again....I will update of course.
Ian too...lol.
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Old 19-03-2019, 02:55 PM   #49
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So she made it home( 1 hour drive) with out any issues.
I rang Ford and they want to get the car showing the error msg,don't stop it as the error display will disappear....thats going tobe difficult and dangerous imho.

She can take our car ...I'll just drive around in circles of a ford dealer waiting for the glitch...what a pain.
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Old 30-06-2019, 09:59 AM   #50
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Hi could we get an update on this thread as to weather the egr has fixed the issue having the same dramas Iím sure I wonít be the only one either !
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