Depression, Anxiety

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by Trejo

Yes it certainly isn't a good idea to endure confrontation for me due to
1. nothing good comes out of violence, obviously.
2. But with me, because I was such a gentle and placid child , after years of enduring bullying and constant parental demands to turn the other cheek, that when in my late teens i was still getting picked out of a crowd in pubs n clubs to be challenged to a fight, my mind finally snapped. Thats when i discovered i was a lot stronger and sadistically violent than anyone or thing i had endured prior, there were/are no rules or morals if you forced me to physically defend myself, as i have no control after i disassociate from reality. So that began my anti socialising by avoiding alcohol induced events, didn't leave much besides church, but it made me feel uncomfortable,.. the singing of hymns within my 'hypocritical parental'' catholic upbringing and then with the rocking evangelical born again meetings, there was the healing by laying on of hands and need to speak in tongues that just made me feel like... how do i put it... like it was insulting my intelligence, taking goodness too far, this is just how i feel. My faith can't out way my intelligence, even for the better good of me socialising with, it most cases, genuinely good hearted caring supportive people. So i again fight depression and isolate myself from the anxiety that comes with the days recollections of what i may have did or said that was inappropriate this time. Ok this session's time is up, later and again thanks for all your support to our cause.

I remember seeing thru school so many kids that got picked on we're big enough that I used to think, man if that kid snaps....those bullies are dead! But because they were the quiet type, more likely raised better aswell, they just rolled with the punches.
But you know what....looking back.....they are the more normal kids,the smart kids, the lucky kids, the ones who as I now scroll through Facebook.....have families. While the bullies are either dead or lonely drunks and so on. Your dead right....violence almost never amounts to anything good. Whether your a kid or a grown up...whatever your situation now, imagine going to prison for a one hit punch fatality, and dealing with that!

[castellan]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

I remember seeing thru school so many kids that got picked on we're big enough that I used to think, man if that kid snaps....those bullies are dead! But because they were the quiet type, more likely raised better aswell, they just rolled with the punches.
But you know what....looking back.....they are the more normal kids,the smart kids, the lucky kids, the ones who as I now scroll through Facebook.....have families. While the bullies are either dead or lonely drunks and so on. Your dead right....violence almost never amounts to anything good. Whether your a kid or a grown up...whatever your situation now, imagine going to prison for a one hit punch fatality, and dealing with that!

It's the drugs people are on nowadays that is the main problem and the main cause is the government and their brain dead Political Correct narrow minded filth they push that destroys people.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Yeah Taa bud, I don't mean to downplay my pain, that's not fair. ..it's just that I've seen what it (depression,mental issues) can do to even my wife. She used to be very depressed, and to this day anxious about evvvverything. But her depression disappeared weirdly enough now that she's busy as hell baby sitting me.
Most of the psychologists and various specialists I've seen are blown away with the way I handle my situation(don't mean to be cocky). They all feel I should be dead by now, for lack of better words! I think it's simply survival instinct..maybe.
Maybe it's us sympathetic people that just don't like to see people messed up, therefore we think what we got is easier! Who knows, I'm confused now...just got outa bed

Not cocky if you are strong and determined to whats required to the best of your ability, you both sound very lucky to have each other, we all are lucky to have Australia and say what you like about the health care system but i can't fault what i get for free. So yes i do put perspective on how good I've got it to a billion other people, but I've tried and I'm tired and very worried about the deterioration of mind thats happening quicker than I'd like, driving may be a past want for me within the next 2 years as stopping at green lights and wondering why the car is slowing down before realising my foot is not on the pedal, is a sure sign of that.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by 1tuffute

i remember seeing thru school so many kids that got picked on we're big enough that i used to think, man if that kid snaps....those bullies are dead! But because they were the quiet type, more likely raised better aswell, they just rolled with the punches.
But you know what....looking back.....they are the more normal kids,the smart kids, the lucky kids, the ones who as i now scroll through facebook.....have families. While the bullies are either dead or lonely drunks and so on. Your dead right....violence almost never amounts to anything good. Whether your a kid or a grown up...whatever your situation now, imagine going to prison for a one hit punch fatality, and dealing with that!

imagine!! I live the possibility every day, i've got off 2 assault charges due to this fn $#¥^$# of an illness
i hate me and life!!!

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Trejo

imagine!! I live the possibility every day, i've got off 2 assault charges due to this fn $#¥^$# of an illness
i hate me and life!!!

Mate, I have not read the whole thread and I have zero experience when it comes to this illness, but if you ever need someone to listen and have a beer / coffee, sound me out! My mobile is 0438 290 441 (not sure if this is against the rules, but hey give me a call). I'm in Newy and would be happy to catch up.

[paule11]

Originally Posted by Trejo

imagine!! I live the possibility every day, i've got off 2 assault charges due to this fn $#¥^$# of an illness
i hate me and life!!!

Once knew where you are coming from because I was there for years ,these days I am mostly in the now not concerned about yesterday or tomorrow . The first time I ever achieved this state was listening to some recordings of Dr Robert Anthony the secret of deliberate creation. Still remember listening to my headphones and walking beside a river then realizing I was not thinking of the past or worrying about the future was an amazing feeling .

[Grega]

Once knew where you are coming from because I was there for years ,these days I am mostly in the now not concerned about yesterday or tomorrow . The first time I ever achieved this state was listening to some recordings of Dr Robert Anthony the secret of deliberate creation. Still remember listening to my headphones and walking beside a river then realizing I was not thinking of the past or worrying about the future was an amazing feeling .

live in the present huh?

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by Trejo

imagine!! I live the possibility every day, I've got off 2 assault charges due to this fn $#¥^$# of an illness
I hate me and life!!!

Hang in there mate. Imagine me standing beside you in court... all of us... as invisible supporters. And know that we'll still be around with a helping hand after the event —regardless of the outcome.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Trejo

imagine!! I live the possibility every day, i've got off 2 assault charges due to this fn $#¥^$# of an illness
i hate me and life!!!

Assault should be dealt with regardless, illness is no excuse at all.

But if another did you wrong with the intent to harm you financially or to attack you that's another thing.

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by castellan

Assault should be dealt with regardless, illness is no excuse at all.

That's a pretty broad assertion, and probably ignores too many mitigating factors that could've been present at the time. I'm not suggesting that mental illnesses should equate to an automatic get-out-of-jail free card by any means, but it needs to be considered at the very least. From the tone of your comment, I'm guessing that you've never suffered from a depressive illness yourself, or had any family do so.

Depression can certainly alter one's perspective on everyday things happening around you, or create a distorted perspective of other people's motives or actions or speech. Even a single word used in the "wrong" place can trigger an overreaction in the depressed—which wouldn't affect the average person.

Put simply, clinically depressed people are often on a totally different wavelength to other (mentally stable) people. But it's obviously not their "fault" as such.

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by The Beast

Mate, I have not read the whole thread and I have zero experience when it comes to this illness, but if you ever need someone to listen and have a beer / coffee, sound me out! My mobile is 0438 290 441 (not sure if this is against the rules, but hey give me a call). I'm in Newy and would be happy to catch up.

Hey there, very down couple of days, this morning was my psychiatrist appointment but also took on my father's eye doc appointment scheduled 30mins after mine, now i know i can't cope with too much at once and to put a time limit on anything i do is pure chaos and potential danger. i seem to sabotage anything i plan out. all was good this morning til the old bloke decided it was 'number 2 time' as i started the car, and again i disassociate and sit back watching the chaos unfold, needless to say no one made it to their appointments and anxiety brought on an asthma attack (that didn't hospitalise me this time thankfully as the one put me in intensive care for 4 days, 8 days total).
I would like to socialise but must avoid any unnecessary public contact, thank you anyway. I will text as it gives me time to assure of what I'm saying is appropriate or not offensive therefore less risk of anxiety attacks

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by paule11

Once knew where you are coming from because I was there for years ,these days I am mostly in the now not concerned about yesterday or tomorrow . The first time I ever achieved this state was listening to some recordings of Dr Robert Anthony the secret of deliberate creation. Still remember listening to my headphones and walking beside a river then realizing I was not thinking of the past or worrying about the future was an amazing feeling .

Thankyou

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by SYZ

Hang in there mate. Imagine me standing beside you in court... all of us... as invisible supporters. And know that we'll still be around with a helping hand after the event —regardless of the outcome.

Good people attract good outcomes thankyou

[Tui2]

Originally Posted by castellan

Assault should be dealt with regardless, illness is no excuse at all.

But if another did you wrong with the intent to harm you financially or to attack you that's another thing.

Let me say it again... if you FORCE me to defend with physical violence, i can't be Bruce Lee and control my actions, it is out of hand. I do not judge or insult, dictate to anyone on how they live their life, never have never will. My heart is kind but mind is broken, this why i type and not speak. Time Time Time Reflect and edit, can't do that in real time situations and that's my lot.

[Tui2]

P.s. I've just allowed a certain previous ignorant comment to cause another fit I.E.D (intermittent Explosive Disorder ) which included an explosive verbal attack on my 85yo father, this i find too difficult to deal with solo, i will be away for a few days. Support each other to no end

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by castellan

Assault should be dealt with regardless, illness is no excuse at all.

But if another did you wrong with the intent to harm you financially or to attack you that's another thing.

Sorry but that's a rather shallow comment, considering the nature of the thread!
Eg(I have a friend with bipolar and he gets very aggressive, he's big/tall, about 130kgs! Since school he's been in various scuffles and fights where either he's been picked on and snapped or was defending another. He's not once been charged as when it boils down, the other party never presses charges or he's cleared once they get the whole picture! He's pretty bad.)

Normally the event would be judged by who initiated the first physical violence! Offender/victim.
But in his case, extreme cases of "pushing him to the limit".....often puts the instigator title back on the person picking on the guy with the mental issues!
That's reality and seems fair!

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Trejo

Hey there, very down couple of days, this morning was my psychiatrist appointment but also took on my father's eye doc appointment scheduled 30mins after mine, now i know i can't cope with too much at once and to put a time limit on anything i do is pure chaos and potential danger. i seem to sabotage anything i plan out. all was good this morning til the old bloke decided it was 'number 2 time' as i started the car, and again i disassociate and sit back watching the chaos unfold, needless to say no one made it to their appointments and anxiety brought on an asthma attack (that didn't hospitalise me this time thankfully as the one put me in intensive care for 4 days, 8 days total).
I would like to socialise but must avoid any unnecessary public contact, thank you anyway. I will text as it gives me time to assure of what I'm saying is appropriate or not offensive therefore less risk of anxiety attacks

Text me anytime!

Cheers,

Tom

[nuthin' fancy]

The extremes don't define the argument, they are the outliers.

We need to recognise that the mental health system is broken. 20 years ago many of these people woild have resources to use that are no longer available.

I know that being on the receiving end of an agressive person is no fun but the fact is many times they are not completely to blame.

I've long thought that the amount spent on the prison system should be matched $ for $ with spending on the mental health system.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by castellan

When you are a cop, violence is violence and your the one that has to deal with it all.
Others have to do as they are told and there is no excuse.

How many Ambulance people have to deal with violence ?
I have seen them being kicked in the head when they are looking after a victim.
No there is no excuse at all to attack ambos.

People who snap as they call it when defending another, is no excuse at all.

What if a cop just snapped as you say ? no they don't get away with that would they ?
Cops being spat on or some nut gone for your balls or gun or threats made to their kids, well then I support the cop full on regardless with grubs like that.

It's not fun to be attacked week after week by anyone and no one should have to put up with crap like that.

We have people complaining about the cop did this or that, without any regard for the cop at all, fact is the cops direction has to be respected totally and the problem nowadays is many people think the cop is just some other dude with equal rights as they have, it's just madness people trying to tell a cop what to do.
One has to conduct themselves in a responsible manner regardless and if it goes beyond that, then one has to be dealt with and that's the Law.

What is going on nowadays is that the new age mob are off with the pixies.

I know a dude down the road who has said to me, he will do this or that to a cop or he could of done XYZ, he does not get it, he does not comprehend the reality of such an action will not be good for him at all.
I have pointed it out to him don't ever do such foolishness or you will be sorry you ever did.
But he just does not get it, he thinks he will be fine

People think that they will have a go at someone with a knife and I say you better be prepared to wear it yourself it you do.

A mate of mine got attacked by some dude that pulled up in a car and jumped out with a wheel brace going him, but my mate got it off him and dished out the wheel brace back on him, oh he may of gone a bit to far and he ended up in jail for it, but hey he was the one that was attacked by some clown for what ? being a Aboriginal, he never knew his attacker and he goes to jail because some nutcase tried to kill him.

You Could try some perspective...
Imagine police are called to two diff incidents with one guy outside a pub screamin n yelling,wanting to fight anyone....and another doing the same outside a mental unit at a hospital........I can garuntee they shut the first guy down fast, and use tact and compassion in the second situation.......knowing there are clear extenuating circumstances!

And your last story doesn't sound like all the facts are clear......as I've put two guys in hospital who tried to mug me(no weapons)in a Bunnings car park ...Broken arm, nose, face and so on! I just had a sore shoulder from a punch. The police didn't even look at me sideways, just a co statement from the Bunnings attendant and a high five from some dude who saw it from his ute!

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by castellan

When you are a cop, violence is violence and your the one that has to deal with it all.
Others have to do as they are told and there is no excuse.

How many Ambulance people have to deal with violence ?
I have seen them being kicked in the head when they are looking after a victim.
No there is no excuse at all to attack ambos.

People who snap as they call it when defending another, is no excuse at all.

What if a cop just snapped as you say ? no they don't get away with that would they ?
Cops being spat on or some nut gone for your balls or gun or threats made to their kids, well then I support the cop full on regardless with grubs like that.

It's not fun to be attacked week after week by anyone and no one should have to put up with crap like that.

We have people complaining about the cop did this or that, without any regard for the cop at all, fact is the cops direction has to be respected totally and the problem nowadays is many people think the cop is just some other dude with equal rights as they have, it's just madness people trying to tell a cop what to do.
One has to conduct themselves in a responsible manner regardless and if it goes beyond that, then one has to be dealt with and that's the Law.

What is going on nowadays is that the new age mob are off with the pixies.

I know a dude down the road who has said to me, he will do this or that to a cop or he could of done XYZ, he does not get it, he does not comprehend the reality of such an action will not be good for him at all.
I have pointed it out to him don't ever do such foolishness or you will be sorry you ever did.
But he just does not get it, he thinks he will be fine

People think that they will have a go at someone with a knife and I say you better be prepared to wear it yourself it you do.

A mate of mine got attacked by some dude that pulled up in a car and jumped out with a wheel brace going him, but my mate got it off him and dished out the wheel brace back on him, oh he may of gone a bit to far and he ended up in jail for it, but hey he was the one that was attacked by some clown for what ? being a Aboriginal, he never knew his attacker and he goes to jail because some nutcase tried to kill him.

Oh and as for your police/ambulance shut n closed attitude on violence......you just reminded me of what happened on my front steps sometime last year. I got up to flashing lights(only ambulance at this stage)......but there was a guy sitting cross legged holding some scissors. Apparently he'd cut one of the ambulance guys earlier when they'd picked him up as he was an "escapist" from the local mental self admitance hospital. Now when the police turned up they continued in exactly the same manner as the ambulance pair were......talking calmly and convincing him they were helping him and so on!
They talked him off my steps, put him calmly in the ambulance....NO cuffs, and one officer jumped in the back and they took off.....presumably back to the hospital. DESPITE the fact he'd cut an Ambulance officer!
They certainly didn't treat the guy with a taser, a gun or a beat down stick like any other violent offender would be treated!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by castellan

One has to conduct themselves in a responsible manner regardless and if it goes beyond that, then one has to be dealt with and that's the Law.

edit....................

oh he may of gone a bit to far and he ended up in jail for it, but hey he was the one that was attacked by some clown for what ?

You are correct in the first sentence, but obviously your mate didn't think of that.

[superyob]

I must disagree with you Castellan. As a school teacher, I know first hand that most kids I teach are creditable human beings. I think the 'degenerates' you refer to have always been with us since Adam. You do have an interesting point though regarding 'nowadays kids have not learned how to fight at school' and their associated willingness to kick someone senseless or permanently damage them, however this is maybe a sign of expanding mental illness in society???

Keep in mind that terrible crimes are nothing new...

[xr8cam]

Very glad to see this topic here. Depression and Anxiety effects us all during our lives. My wife has been a Psychologist for most of her life and has dealt with just about everything you could imagine. If anybody is really concerned or worried about something, ask away for some good free advice.

[Mesa]

Growing problem with depression is there are too many internet 'experts' who claim to know all about it. Their perceived in-depth knowledge on the subject is usually loosely based on internet experience or what some 'mate' who claims to have it. Usually they're just talking out their ***.

A thread like this gives us the opportunity to support each other. Not to beat your chest with ill informed opinions.

And unfortunately those who live with or deal with us suffer as much. Be thankful you don't have it.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by superyob

I must disagree with you Castellan. As a school teacher, I know first hand that most kids I teach are creditable human beings. I think the 'degenerates' you refer to have always been with us since Adam. You do have an interesting point though regarding 'nowadays kids have not learned how to fight at school' and their associated willingness to kick someone senseless or permanently damage them, however this is maybe a sign of expanding mental illness in society???

Keep in mind that terrible crimes are nothing new...

I agree with that as well.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by superpursuit05

Growing problem with depression is there are too many internet 'experts' who claim to know all about it. Their perceived in-depth knowledge on the subject is usually loosely based on internet experience or what some 'mate' who claims to have it. Usually they're just talking out their ***.

A thread like this gives us the opportunity to support each other. Not to beat your chest with ill informed opinions.

And unfortunately those who live with or deal with us suffer as much. Be thankful you don't have it.

No one is claiming that at all.

[Trump]

Enough soapboxing and grandstanding, this thread is an outlet for those who are suffering from the black dog; a place they can just talk.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Enough soapboxing and grandstanding, this thread is an outlet for those who are suffering from the black dog; a place they can just talk.

What he said.....

If we can please get back to Personal problems and leave the 'my mates sister's brother' stories out of the thread I won't get cramp editing it.

[buggerlugs]

This is why we have Mods. To control threads...........................and some "Contributing" to said threads.............

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by Trejo

P.s. I've just allowed a certain previous ignorant comment to cause another fit I.E.D (intermittent Explosive Disorder ) which included an explosive verbal attack on my 85yo father, this i find too difficult to deal with solo, i will be away for a few days. Support each other to no end

Unfortunately (well, not really) both my parents lived until their mid-nineties, do I can empathise with your reflexive angry outbursts at their usually unintentional dithering, and babbling and arguing.

The number of times I had to grit my teeth to avoid a personal meltdown would've kept a dentist wealthy for life. Hope your rest days treat you well.