2021 Wheels Car of the Year - Page 2

**Polyal** · 02-03-2021, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

I'm a big Mazda fan, sold my BA years ago and bought a used 2010 Mazda6, great car.
Now I own a AWD CX5, love it, wife bought a new (2 years ago) Mazda3 SP25 (had 2 Mazda3's prior to that), son has a SP23, and I buy the cars for my Mum after she was talked into a Peugeot years ago (couldn't give it away when it came to trade in), what the hell Mum?, so she's had 3 Mazda3s since then.

Don't worry though, still have the XC in the garage.

When the Mrs cashes in her super she'll be getting the CX3.0 in AWD with the 2.5 motor.

I just love the reliability (timing chain instead of belt, no CVT) and the styling of the new ones.

Mazda for what they have should be doing better, they dont seem to fussed about chasing the cheap market which seems to give them an air of distinction over the others.

I also like the fact they are not chasing the luxury market with Eunos anymore, just focus on core products and nail it.

**DFB FGXR6** · 02-03-2021, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

How depressing must it be to work as a motoring journo these days.
Reviewing boring **** like this and having to report with some type of enthusiasm or interest.
Does Motor still run BFYB and PCOTY? I imagine the amount of eligible cars worthy of consideration these days could be counted on one or two hands.

BFYB was missed last year due to Covid restriction.

PCOTY, Porsche Car of the Year, is as normal.

Citroënbender · 02-03-2021, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nibble

BTW I'm not trolling. This is my first post. Looking at getting a Ford Ranger so have joined the forums.

Welcome, and we’ll see you at Yeti‘s Friday night party?

**Raptor** · 02-03-2021, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

Just have to look at past winners to see it means nothing.

Didn’t hear anyone saying that in 2002 (BA Falcon) or 2004 (Territory)

Disclaimer: I guessed the years and may have that wrong by a year, but they were winners for Ford

This Mazda will be a decent thing, as was last year Volvo XC40.

The Wheels COTY has pretty good evaluation criteria.

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nibble · 02-03-2021, 10:05 PM

LOL. I think I'll pass on the Friday night party.

nstg8a · 03-03-2021, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Didn’t hear anyone saying that in 2002 (BA Falcon) or 2004 (Territory)

Disclaimer: I guessed the years and may have that wrong by a year, but they were winners for Ford

This Mazda will be a decent thing, as was last year Volvo XC40.

The Wheels COTY has pretty good evaluation criteria.

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Pretty sure history has shown the ba and Terri, especially those early ones to have more than their fair share of lemon type issues.

So, my comment stands, winning it means little.

GCRXR6 · 03-03-2021, 06:20 PM

Wheels Magazine? Huh...did someone say KFC?

smoo · 03-03-2021, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

Pretty sure history has shown the ba and Terri, especially those early ones to have more than their fair share of lemon type issues.

So, my comment stands, winning it means little.

Not to mention it was a gas guzzling slug with the Barra and the archaic tall geared four speed auto.
Two vehicles in that segment had already set a benchmark, the BMW X5 and Volvo XC90. Both had with diesels averaging nearly half of the Territory in the real world.
It might be easy to say in hindsight but the writing was on the wall as to what fuel will become default choice the segment.
Still, the Territory was probably more deserving than the VN, VR and VT.

Cadogan has ripped into Wheels. I hate it when I agree with him, although our reasoning is probably different. He’s butt hurt they didn’t pick a Kia.
Cadogan should go and use those untouched tools he has on show in the back ground.

Franco Cozzo · 03-03-2021, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by smoo

Not to mention it was a gas guzzling slug with the Barra and the archaic tall geared four speed auto.
Two vehicles in that segment had already set a benchmark, the BMW X5 and Volvo XC90. Both had with diesels averaging nearly half of the Territory in the real world.
It might be easy to say in hindsight but the writing was on the wall as to what fuel will become default choice the segment.
Still, the Territory was probably more deserving than the VN, VR and VT.

Cadogan has ripped into Wheels. I hate it when I agree with him, although our reasoning is probably different. He’s butt hurt they didn’t pick a Kia.
Cadogan should go and use those untouched tools he has on show in the back ground.

The only tool he touches is between his legs, though he does have the odd good point.

bathurst77 · 03-03-2021, 08:58 PM

Poor wheels mag
they dont know who to give the award to now holden has gone

bathurst77 · 03-03-2021, 09:03 PM

transcript form any wheels editorial meeting of 70s or 80s
editor: right lads, its COTY again.. any suitable candidates?
staff members mumble and mention cars worthy
editor: hmm some good ideas. has Holden released any thing new this year?
staff yes they released an updated...
editor: right thats settled, next item, biscuits in staff room
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Ben73 · 03-03-2021, 10:53 PM

I still don't know why Cx30 and cx3 both exist. What's the difference.

**DFB FGXR6** · 03-03-2021, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I still don't know why Cx30 and cx3 both exist. What's the difference.

CX-3 is Mazda 2 based and much smaller.

CX-30 is Mazda 3 based.

Mazda's naming strategy is woeful.

Big_Daz · 03-03-2021, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I still don't know why Cx30 and cx3 both exist. What's the difference.

Cx3 is smaller (based on mazda 2) CX30 is mazda 3 based... they also have MX-30 coming which is ev/plug in hybrid and another suv...
Do they need a cx3,30 and 5 probably not but that’s beside the point...

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Dr Smith · 04-03-2021, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Didn’t hear anyone saying that in 2002 (BA Falcon) or 2004 (Territory)

Disclaimer: I guessed the years and may have that wrong by a year, but they were winners for Ford

This Mazda will be a decent thing, as was last year Volvo XC40.

The Wheels COTY has pretty good evaluation criteria.

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While they build quality issues I think the jump in productions rates wasn't matched by QC and vehicles shouldn't have been left to dealers to fix things if they even tried.

My big however is the Territory was a ground breaker and at the head of a segment that now is dominating around the world....while the BA up to then was as close as any Australian car got to a big euro sedan. Yes it gained a lot of weight however Ford never really explained this was due to a higher body strength, I saw this first hand as a neighbouring taxi depot and panel shop showed very easily what happened when cars rear-ended BA taxi's...BA 1-rear ender 0.

anobserver · 04-03-2021, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I still don't know why Cx30 and cx3 both exist. What's the difference.

As said, the CX 30 and CX3 are the Mazda 3 and 2 on stilts, respectively. They exist because people want to buy high riding versions of existing cars.

People buy them for all sorts of reasons. But more importantly, buyers willingly pay higher prices than they would for the car they are both based on.

Meaning additional sales revenues and profit per car for less development costs, and less market risk, than would be incurred from developing an entirely new vehicle.

Franco Cozzo · 04-03-2021, 02:18 PM

What's the going rate for a car of the year award these days?

Bossxr8 · 04-03-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What's the going rate for a car of the year award these days?

"bout three fiddy.

jaydee · 04-03-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I still don't know why Cx30 and cx3 both exist. What's the difference.

They couldn't have a CX4 (which would have made sense) because they've already released that model, an SUV, in China, never released in Oz, or anywhere else I don't think.
So hence the CX30.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_CX-4

Vesper Martini · 04-03-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

I still don't know why Cx30 and cx3 both exist. What's the difference.

I found the below comparison
https://www.motortrend.com/news/mazd...5-differences/

while some brands are cutting model variants, Mazda seems to be going nuts on SUV's

bathurst77 · 04-03-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ebv8

I don't get why the top selling car is not car of the year
eg: Toyota Hilux
it like McLaughlin winning the championship and the reporters saying Whincup was the best driver

Why would "best car" be the top selling car.
Maybe you have the cart before the horse, why isnt the best car selling more than others?

IF the new Foldsubishia Fanger is an amazing car in every respect and a massive break through it deserves coty. But if people are buying SUVs ...
Or maybe the advertising for a competitor or sharper pricing.
How many years did falcon outsell kingswood/commy even tho it was better. BA got Coty, commodore outsold it. Territory got it., it was never best selling car, it often was best inits class, but also often wasnt.

There are 1 million reasons people buy a car.. especially fleets and rentals, and journo review is a small part of it.

Frankly I dont care if my daily driver is 1 second slower 0 -100, or a little floatier in the twists than some other car. As loong as its able to keep up in traffic, has comfy seats a good stereo and air, and the deal $$$ was good, im happy.

Also i think to be eligible it has to be a new model for the year. SOa 2 -3 year old model isnt allowed

bathurst77 · 04-03-2021, 05:23 PM

I had a fresh from factory new 03 BA.. Had almost no issues with it in about 5 years of neglect and thrashing. CD stacker stuffed up, that was a well known issue.
Went through tyres and brakes like crazy.
(waddya mean I'm not supposed to stomp on the accelerator and brake pedals like your squashing bugs?)

**DFB FGXR6** · 04-03-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

While they build quality issues I think the jump in productions rates wasn't matched by QC and vehicles shouldn't have been left to dealers to fix things if they even tried.

My big however is the Territory was a ground breaker and at the head of a segment that now is dominating around the world....while the BA up to then was as close as any Australian car got to a big euro sedan. Yes it gained a lot of weight however Ford never really explained this was due to a higher body strength, I saw this first hand as a neighbouring taxi depot and panel shop showed very easily what happened when cars rear-ended BA taxi's...BA 1-rear ender 0.

The quoted figure at the time was that the BA Falcon sedan was 88% stiffer than the AU variants.

Having both in the family at the same time, the BA felt way stiffer in regards to body flex.

Sprintey · 06-03-2021, 11:19 PM

Territory was a worthy win - as explained above. It was defining the SUV concept after solid market research, right at the exact moment when that sector took off and outgrew sedans in sales. Buyers got great functionality, flexible storage, choice of drivetrains, choice of seating, really good ride and handling too - all at a very reasonable cost. They nailed it.

Sprintey · 07-03-2021, 12:13 AM

I thought Cadogan's take on the relationships between the automakers/legacy media and.... (distant last) buying public was pretty spot on.

'criterion'/'criteria' - I mourn for the language.

With such a low barrier to media entry, you can go out there and review the car yourself, and if you think it's terrible you can say so (at the cost/benefit of your channel's integrity and reputation).

Personally, I think this fellow is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaqMQ2PW1tM

(the age-old grudge match...)

whynot · 07-03-2021, 11:10 AM

My biggest gripe with Wheels is its inconsistency in applying its own selection criteria. For example, the magazine complained that the 2007 winner (MB C-Class W204) had rattle in its steering rack. Yet, the next year the FG was kicked out of COYT with rack rattle being a complaint. So, is rack rattle a selection criteria or not?

The pearler was in last year’s COTY when there were complaints about the Model 3 “being too fast”. Whaaaattttt???? I could understand poor marking if the engine overpowers the chassis, but if the vehicle is well sorted, a car magazine complaining about a car being too fast is someone just looking for excuses to disqualify.

As for the CX-30, I think it is a competent car. Is it the way of the now? Yes. Is it the way of the future? Probably not.

**DFB FGXR6** · 08-03-2021, 06:08 PM

The same issue of Wheels has a interview with both David Flint and John Crennan, the visionaries behind Tickford/FPV and HSV.

These sort of articles are really the only reason I am still subscribed to Wheels. I get more joy reading about the back stories and insider knowledge these days, cars are just all same now, reading about jacked up 2.0 hatches gets boring after a while.

ToryMikey · 08-03-2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The same issue of Wheels has a interview with both David Flint and John Crennan, the visionaries behind Tickford/FPV and HSV.

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These sort of articles are really the only reason I am still subscribed to Wheels. I get more joy reading about the back stories and insider knowledge these days, cars are just all same now, reading about jacked up 2.0 hatches gets boring after a while.

Jacked up 2.0 (or worse, 1.5T) boretomatic hatches couldn't interest me less. But, it's what Wheels, Motor etc wanted. I don't know if other countries had an automotive press as hostile to local product as ours. Just see John Cadogan's toxic BS for evidence!

**DFB FGXR6** · 10-03-2021, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

BFYB was missed last year due to Covid restriction.

PCOTY, Porsche Car of the Year, is as normal.

Wow, not a Porsche this year!

https://www.whichcar.com.au/events/p...5bavZSYS7LJKNo

Big_Daz · 10-03-2021, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Wow, not a Porsche this year!

https://www.whichcar.com.au/events/p...5bavZSYS7LJKNo

Well someone finally made something that was better on the day (and the manufacturers had available on the press fleet to give them). No surprise it was AMG that finally did it, they have come perilously close a few times.

Love all the butt hurt over Porsche winning heaps... as motor has said multiple times, they knew they would get crap for it, but the best car on test must win, regardless....

Now for a lotto win, so I can buy myself a GTR Pro..: awesome machines....

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