Vfacts September 2019

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by russellw

The Acadia is in the SUV Medium chart about 2/3rds of the way down.

Thanks Russell.. Buggered if i could see that yesterday..

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Thanks Russell.. Buggered if i could see that yesterday..

I looked at those quarterly sales of mid-sized SUVs, man there's some good
sales numbers in there for the Koreans and Japanese. Once upon a time,
most of those types of buyers would have been large sedan / S'wagon buyers.
(Not those exact people but the demographic they represent.)

So people are right to say that car buyers have moved to small and mid-sized SUVs
and that Korean and Japanese brands have won them over. I look at these two segments
as where Ford and Holden can and should be doing more to attract buyers.

The question is what types of features do their vehicles need to stand out from all the others,
should they offer hybrids for efficiency? as power adders?, should there be ST models?
Whatever they do in those segments, cannot simply be competing at the vanilla entry point,
if you buy a Holden/Ford, it has to have good handling, brakes, and feel like a complete package
all without feeling like you're losing your shirt.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by jpd80

On another note,
I was looking at Russell's quarterly chart and marvelled at Toyota's SUV strength.
Combined sales of Prado, Fortuner and Kluger are simply amazing (~17,600)
couple that with high value Hilux 4x4 sales and you got a lot of highly profitable sales.

Anything selling for $40K and up makes good money for car companies
and Toyota seems to have those in spades.

I'm sure that this is where Ford will be doubling down rather than chasing
losses in the $18K-$30K sales volume area.

I'm guessing a lot of Prado and Hikux sales would be due to mining companies. 99% percent of the vehicles are Toyotas. The remaining 1% being Rangers.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

I'm guessing a lot of Prado and Hikux sales would be due to mining companies. 99% percent of the vehicles are Toyotas. The remaining 1% being Rangers.

I see a lot more Rangers Dual Cabs as contractors and employee packages in the capitals/ on the coast.
there are sales to mining, oil and gas but mostly sales to Contractors and employee packages.
Unfortunately, those are also counted as "fleet sales" even though they are more retail vehicles.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I see a lot more Rangers Dual Cabs as contractors and employee packages in the capitals/ on the coast.
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Would be an interesting comparison between the smaller (up to 4495 GVM) Isuzu, Canter and Hino trucks against the dual /single cab ute market.

Is there such a thing or are they comparing cars to trucks even though they are both car licence and geared towards trades.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Would be an interesting comparison between the smaller (up to 4495 GVM) Isuzu, Canter and Hino trucks against the dual /single cab ute market.

Is there such a thing or are they comparing cars to trucks even though they are both car licence and geared towards trades.

Bit hard to take the Kids to the Footy/Cricket/Netball of a Weekend or the family Camping during Holidays in one of Those !!

That's were the Dual cabs come out in Front... jack of All Trades (& master of None) & still tax deductible..

Once My Kids have flown the Nest I'll be getting a 4495GVM Japper though....

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Bit hard to take the Kids to the Footy/Cricket/Netball of a Weekend or the family Camping during Holidays in one of Those !!...

Hayseed how about a dual cab 4X4 one then, with a slide on camper.Don't know about getting it into a garage though.

[arronm]

I can see with all the so called business purchases of the tax deductible dual cabs it won't be long until the tax office tightens up the rules and sales will take a nose dive

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by arronm

I can see with all the so called business purchases of the tax deductible dual cabs it won't be long until the tax office tightens up the rules and sales will take a nose dive

Really?
People have been saying that for the last eight years, the tax dept tolerates it
because they get what they want, an easy compliance system even if flawed.

On the other hand, all those people/their employers sign stat declarations that
the vehicles are used solely for business with incidental personal use...

I think the Tax dept is waiting for IVMS and geofencing to take hold, once that
happens, that's the end of using those dual cab utes on the weekends for
non-buisness use..

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Would be an interesting comparison between the smaller (up to 4495 GVM) Isuzu, Canter and Hino trucks against the dual /single cab ute market.

Is there such a thing or are they comparing cars to trucks even though they are both car licence and geared towards trades.

This was never about people buying trucks to actually haul heavy loads.

The overwhelming volume of dual cab Utes should tell you all you need to
know about preferences. If they were fair dinkum purchases, they be buying
small cheap vans for most of the applications but as Hayseed says, they
want the second row seating for the family on weekends.

[Windsor220]

I know a number of people that hve bought dual cabs with out businesses in mind. The interest in them is more than just a tax dodge

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Hayseed how about a dual cab 4X4 one then, with a slide on camper.Don't know about getting it into a garage though.

Or the Shopping Centre Carpark.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I think Ford is “fishing with the wrong bait” and by that, I mean that
Toyota, Hyundai and Kia, already have the “vanilla “ mass volume
affordable vehicles covered in spades. If Ford and Holden want to
count as something different and special, well then they need to
adopt a different design strategy, maybe performance hybrid that
gives 21st century muscle car like performance with guilt free
fuel economy.

I'd like to see the amount of money spent on advertising from each of these manufacturers, I bet that tells an interesting story. At a glance I'd say the top selling manufacturers spend the most and vice versa.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I'd like to see the amount of money spent on advertising from each of these manufacturers, I bet that tells an interesting story. At a glance I'd say the top selling manufacturers spend the most and vice versa.

Not necessarily, I think it's more about effectively targeting both potential and return buyers
so not necessarily as much television advertising as we once saw, more through social media
and direct contact (emails).

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

This was never about people buying trucks to actually haul heavy loads.

The overwhelming volume of dual cab Utes should tell you all you need to
know about preferences. If they were fair dinkum purchases, they be buying
small cheap vans for most of the applications but as Hayseed says, they
want the second row seating for the family on weekends.

Just like to see a comparison that's all I asked.

GVM 4495 heavy loads ? about 2 ton.

[Cobra]

Toby Price must be worth every cent he's paid. I mean, why else would you buy a Triton, other than this legend marketing it to you?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Toby Price must be worth every cent he's paid. I mean, why else would you buy a Triton, other than this legend marketing it to you?

Price, they're basically giving 4x4 Dual Cab Tritons away ($34,990).
Which leads me to think, great when new but doubt that they will last more than 7 years.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Just like to see a comparison that's all I asked.

GVM 4495 heavy loads ? about 2 ton.

There isn't actually a VFACTs category for them - there are only 3 truck categories (which we analyse bi-annually) and the smallest of those is 3.5-8T GVM.

[jpd80]

And with that, the 2-tonne truck example fits roKWiz's own definition of a car......

NOT.

They're light commercials but I consider anything that runs Light Truck tyres as either
a light Commercial, Pick ups, Vans or yes a light truck. Some fit the description more than others.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

And with that, the 2-tonne truck example fits roKWiz's own definition of a car......

NOT.

They're light commercials but I consider anything that runs Light Truck tyres as either
a light Commercial, Pick ups, Vans or yes a light truck. Some fit the description more than others.

I don't recall calling a 2 ton payload truck a car ?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Cobra

Toby Price must be worth every cent he's paid. I mean, why else would you buy a Triton, other than this legend marketing it to you?

Id take one over a hilux, we bought a Pajero Sport and the bloody thing is great to be honest (17,000kms in).

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I don't recall calling a 2 ton payload truck a car ?

You can drive 1-ton and 2-ton commercials on a car lisence, they don't fit into our
three truck classes so therefore, they must both be cars right?

I'm taking the pyss mate, we know it grates on you when people call 1 ton utes trucks.
and that's why we do it..

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Price, they're basically giving 4x4 Dual Cab Tritons away ($34,990).
Which leads me to think, great when new but doubt that they will last more than 7 years.

Plenty of 15 year old Tritons getting around just fine... These are good cars, priced right with good after sales service.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by jpd80

You can drive 1-ton and 2-ton commercials on a car lisence, they don't fit into our
three truck classes so therefore, they must both be cars right?

I'm taking the pyss mate, we know it grates on you when people call 1 ton utes trucks.
and that's why we do it..

Now, now, we want to be all happy campers here just like the Tesla thread.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

I don't recall calling a 2 ton payload truck a car ?

So, the handful of 'LT' classification models that offer a cab-chassis model with a 3.5T GVM or better have relatively low sales with year to date numbers below. Please note that where the model is sold as both a CC and a Van body, the sales are not split between them:

Ford Transit Heavy 756
Fuso Canter 1,415
Hino LD 1,909
Hyundai LD 77 CC/Only
Isuzu N-Series LD 3,186 C/C only
Iveco Daily C/C 116 (these are split)
Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2,613
Renault Master 1,061
VW Crafter 612

Cheers
Russ

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Plenty of 15 year old Tritons getting around just fine... These are good cars, priced right with good after sales service.

That’s the problem, people think the new ones are gonna last like the 15 year olds but that might no be the case anymore

[XR Martin]

Engine in my dad's triton blew up with around 110k kms, it was 8 years old at the time, but lucky he bought it when mitsubishi were offering 10 years warranty.
Took them 6 months to replace it...
Silly fart just bought another one too.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That’s the problem, people think the new ones are gonna last like the 15 year olds but that might no be the case anymore

That can be said about any of them. I guess you could go by warranty to see who has the most faith in their vehicles.

[BENT_8]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11480949

6 months old, $60k doesn't buy you reliability either and its not alone.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11480949

6 months old, $60k doesn't buy you reliability either and its not alone.

but it does get you a full warranty and a replacement gearbox and back on the road.


The real concern is when folks expecting their vehicles to last as long as older ones did,
most people buying new (4x4s) are covered up to the end of the factory warranty but
then things start to get sketchy if there's a major failure and you rely on an extended
warranty.

There's a whole bunch of people out there buying second hand German luxury vehicles
at relatively cheap prices but they haven't cottoned on to why the price is so cheap.
Sooner or later, something expensive will eventually go ding and chances are that an
extended warranty will not cover it.

Problem is that there are a few people that have good fortune and carry their vehicles
for long periods without a hitch, they tell their friends and they try it only to discover
all kinds of problems bite them in the backside.