Gen F HSV GTS Review, 0-100 in 4.4s - Page 10

jimmyxr6t04 · 23-08-2013, 02:05 PM

double post...

flooded one · 23-08-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Uwish

Stazza, This is why most people think Ford owners are *******!

the same could be said about most Holden owners. I've seen more commodores wrapped around trees and plowed throu fences etc then I have fords. does it make all holden owners ******?? no it doesn't. the thing why people are laughing at the GTS is because of the hype. did the GT-R spec have much as hype when brand new?? no it didn't!! I'm sure the GTS is a good car. its just not my thing. (Its not because its a Holden either why I don't like it) Its the hideous front end and rear that put me off. I acutally think the VF Commodore ranges looks better then the HSV range and I like the VF commodores interior so i'm not exactly bias

jimmyxr6t04 · 23-08-2013, 02:12 PM

Sorted - I know where you are coming from, but as it stands, it is the most powerful... Unless the dyno's consistently show sub 310rwkw... Average Joe doesn't know about rwkw, so HSV have already won half the battle by claiming 430kw...

As for fastest, i agree that it isn't as clear cut. However, i think with more time and further testing that the GTS will prove to be quicker. Not just down the straight, but also around the track.

flooded one · 23-08-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyxr6t04

Sorted - I know where you are coming from, but as it stands, it is the most powerful... Unless the dyno's consistently show sub 310rwkw... Average Joe doesn't know about rwkw, so HSV have already won half the battle by claiming 430kw...

As for fastest, i agree that it isn't as clear cut. However, i think with more time and further testing that the GTS will prove to be quicker. Not just down the straight, but also around the track.

I cant see it being faster down the strip having seen the power losses HSVs and SS have via driveline. in saying that thou. they are a quick car what ever way you look at it. but you never know. as I've said. when it happens i'll acknowledge it. as for around the track I say may be right there? being a newer model. will just have too wait and see

40RDT · 23-08-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

Yep great comparison that was in the wet - went to Heathcote on the weekend and they stopped racing with any drop of Rain as it is too dangerous to race 1/4 mile in the wet - that in itself shows how stupid that test was.

Enough with the lame excuses already

If you don't know how Wheels Test Cars 0-100klms and 1/4 mile maybe you should do some research and this is the reason why the Wheels Test has it .2 second slower.

Lets get this noted that I haven't said the FPV GT Rspec is the best car in the world, the fastest in the world, the most powerful and I am sure you can find things on a Hyundai I30 that is not on a FPV GT Rspec BUT HSV advertised this car as the most powerful Australian Built Car which leads everyone to assume it is the Fastest Australian Built car BUT this is not true

This is what annoys me - sure it has all the gear - sure it's a nice car...............

Same goes with the VF ute thing they took to the Nürburgring and claimed a world record

Same false advertising - if your going to claim it then prove it.................

What lame excuses am I using?

I agree the conditions when they went head to head werent the best way to show what both cars was capable of but what im trying to get at is that you cant really compare times unless done on the same day, conditions etc.

burnz · 23-08-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

the same could be said about most Holden owners. I've seen more commodores wrapped around trees and plowed throu fences etc then I have fords. does it make all holden owners ******?? no it doesn't. the thing why people are laughing at the GTS is because of the hype. did the GT-R spec have much as hype when brand new?? no it didn't!! I'm sure the GTS is a good car. its just not my thing. (Its not because its a Holden either why I don't like it) Its the hideous front end and rear that put me off. I acutally think the VF Commodore ranges looks better then the HSV range and I like the VF commodores interior so i'm not exactly bias

wally's in cars!!!
there are a lot more ford taxi's than holdens, case closed.

DABOSS · 23-08-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stazza

All the HSV lovers should just go buy the GTS and leave us all in peace.

Or to throw a spanner in the works the A45 AMG for less then 80k would be the pick of the bunch that way there's no bs bickering between the two.

Rodge · 23-08-2013, 03:23 PM

Honest question, is it school holidays in Australia at the moment ?

GTP534 · 23-08-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Honest question, is it school holidays in Australia at the moment ?

No it's not but this is way better than talking about the election campaigns!

Auslandau · 23-08-2013, 03:27 PM

They might matter to you Glen but to many it does. I have spent $1,000's chasing 0.5 seconds as have many others. It is important to some, not all and is always a good discussion, whether it be serious or just some fun.

Don't get too caught up in what is not important to you as others do think the opposite. It is all harmless fun ..... And as said above ..... Has been the way since Adam was a boy

Rodge · 23-08-2013, 03:35 PM

Was that a nice looking GT-P spoiler on the back of your car Dave ?
Careful, you'll be adding stripes soon too

Go on, post a pic in this thread too, you know you want too

flooded one · 23-08-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP534

No it's not but this is way better than talking about the election campaigns!

yes

. I would so rather hear or see this then hear that, mindless dribble that's going on at the moment. some people might take it too heart but oh well. I don't have a problem with anyone sticking up for the GTS its their opinion. I don't think the Hype is as great as a lot of people made it out to be. again, thats my opinion. maybe we should do a poll on which car everyone prefers?? would be interesting until the thread gets locked lol could be the AFF Australian modern muscle car election!!

CAMS290 · 23-08-2013, 08:15 PM

Does anyone know the 1/4 mile trap speeds of the GTS and GT R Spec ?
That will give you a pretty good indication of who is cranking out the most HP.

I have heard the LSA runs bigger boost than the Miami, and its intercooled, and its 1.2 litres bigger, so it should be substantially faster than the GT wouldn't you think ?

I myself have more respect and admiration on what FPV have done over the years on a shoestring budget than I do for HSV, and I would hedge my bets on the GT being a better investment long term than the GTS.

BTW, I'm more intrigued by this little thing, and what it can do with a 2 litre motor.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/247694/v...kmh-in-4-9sec/

Bent8 · 23-08-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMS290

I have heard the LSA runs bigger boost than the Miami, and its intercooled, and its 1.2 litres bigger, so it should be substantially faster than the GT wouldn't you think ?

But it's still a pushrod motor, and we all know they're not as efficient at making power as a quad-cam setup.

Here we have the BOSS 5.0 making over 375kW vs the General's 6.2 making 430kW... that's 13% more power from an engine with 20% more displacement... hmm

CAMS290 · 23-08-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

But it's still a pushrod motor, and we all know they're not as efficient at making power as a quad-cam setup.

Here we have the BOSS 5.0 making over 375kW vs the General's 6.2 making 430kW... that's 13% more power from an engine with 20% more displacement... hmm

And I rekon that the GTS will suffer massively from heat soak after a few pulls on the dyno, unlike the Miami that compensates for the losses to a degree.

It is a shame that we never saw the full potential of the Miami, VVT for inlet cams, Intercooling and direct injection.

rancidpunx · 23-08-2013, 08:46 PM

From the Wheels runs, GTS 113.8mph, Rspec 118.5mph

CAMS290 · 23-08-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rancidpunx

From the Wheels runs, GTS 113.8mph, Rspec 118.5mph

Mmm must be a typo, nearly 5 mph difference suggests that the GT is making heaps more power.
The only way to find out will be to run them both on the same day at the same track.

rancidpunx · 23-08-2013, 08:57 PM

^ I have a mate getting one so hopefully do something head to head with him. We will be putting them on the dyno back to back as well.

Bossxr8 · 23-08-2013, 10:17 PM

I remember FPV were saying quietly that they had seen 4.5 sec 0-100 runs in their private testing of the R spec, but Ford do not publish performance figures as they think it goes against road safety ideals.

burnz · 23-08-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rancidpunx

^ I have a mate getting one so hopefully do something head to head with him. We will be putting them on the dyno back to back as well.

power figures are like fuel figures on a dyno, no relation to real world, just ballpark.

DMENTDGT · 23-08-2013, 11:58 PM

I totally understand people admiring the opposition for what it might have or not, just can't understand the way some of you sound like you obsess about the new GTS and want to post how good it is in a FORD form WTF??? Seriously if your from the other side go and stay on that side of the fence... This is FORD land where it should always blue...

DMENTDGT · 24-08-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by burnz

power figures are like fuel figures on a dyno, no relation to real world, just ballpark.

Just like holdens claim figures...

burnz · 24-08-2013, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DMENTDGT

Just like holdens claim figures...

or fords, point of view are always different..

DMENTDGT · 24-08-2013, 12:08 AM

Atleast we say less not more...

BadMax · 24-08-2013, 12:09 AM

I'm certainly not one eyed. But the falcon in its current state is not up to what the commodore is, regardless of which model you want to pick.
I'm holding off getting rid of my GS ute second quarter of next year as there is a glimmer of hope Ford may produce something equal to the Holden ute. If not, I'll jump ship as I Buy what I like not what my dad and his dad drove!
Each to their own, but I feel for people who can't see past the badge on the grille.

UberKnee · 24-08-2013, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Express

The C63 does 4.4 – 4.2 sec with only 336 naturally aspirated kws.

The GTS is putting down a good time if it's verified.
But it's just my thoughts, I’d prefer a bit more from 430kw.

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Even with all the new fancy tech and Holden trying to bandy the GTS about as a Ferrari/Porsche kitted Commodore the performance Euro's still have vastly superior chassis, suspension set ups, tech, and general ability to get maximum power to the ground and in a usable fashion.

DMENTDGT · 24-08-2013, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BadMax

I'm certainly not one eyed. But the falcon in its current state is not up to what the commodore is, regardless of which model you want to pick.
I'm holding off getting rid of my GS ute second quarter of next year as there is a glimmer of hope Ford may produce something equal to the Holden ute. If not, I'll jump ship as I Buy what I like not what my dad and his dad drove!
Each to their own, but I feel for people who can't see past the badge on the grille.

And what holden ute will produce the power you have in your GS ute...?

Auslandau · 24-08-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BadMax

I'm certainly not one eyed. But the falcon in its current state is not up to what the commodore is, regardless of which model you want to pick.
I'm holding off getting rid of my GS ute second quarter of next year as there is a glimmer of hope Ford may produce something equal to the Holden ute. If not, I'll jump ship as I Buy what I like not what my dad and his dad drove!
Each to their own, but I feel for people who can't see past the badge on the grille.

Isn't someone who likes a Ford over anything else buying what they like? Why would you feel for people who have a passion towards something? Isnt choice what its all about ...... and not the reason why they choose?

Don't 'feel' for me cos I love what I choose to buy ..... as you said, I also buy what I like. Just so happens I prefer Fords over anything else I can afford. The reasons why I buy them are irrelevant to you or anyone else really as we all have our own and personal reasons why we choose what we buy and do.

If I could afford to buy an Aston Martin I would! Never driven one, Never sat in one but just because of what it looks like and the perception I have, I would buy it because of badge alone. Call it whatever you want .... but as you stated, its good to buy what you want. It is also the same reason why I wouldn't buy a HSV

ford man xf · 24-08-2013, 01:18 AM

Making the 2014 GT with 400kw+ will make it sell well how exactly?

ray38l · 24-08-2013, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UberKnee

Even with all the new fancy tech and Holden trying to bandy the GTS about as a Ferrari/Porsche kitted Commodore the performance Euro's still have vastly superior chassis, suspension set ups, tech, and general ability to get maximum power to the ground and in a usable fashion.

really? then why did the gts beat the amg around the racetrack in the wheels test?