Vfacts June 2021 Ford finishes 3rd - Page 5

**kypez** · 19-07-2021, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

All your opinion buddy, very one eyed/tracked.
Thank goodness many are different.

eh?! Thats literally what I said... It was my opinion

I find it funny that I'm "very one eyed/tracked" whilst owing both EVs and ICE and you're somehow open minded only owning ICE and historics though?

Bossxr8 · 19-07-2021, 09:26 PM

EV owners are like vegans. Always telling everyone how great they are.

prydey · 19-07-2021, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

EV owners are like vegans. Always telling everyone how great they are.

To be fair to kypez, he always says they won't suit everyone...

Big_Daz · 19-07-2021, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

EV owners are like vegans. Always telling everyone how great they are.

Sure some of them are a pain, but it’s not really fair to elude to kypez being this way. His ice cars seem to outnumber the ev 3 to 1 (well fords at least) and the bloke seems to love his ice falcons and mustang as much (just differently) to his Tesla…

He is just giving his ownership experience and opinion to us…

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Bossxr8 · 19-07-2021, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

To be fair to kypez, he always says they won't suit everyone...

I wasn’t referring to him specifically. He’s pretty balanced as you said.

**FTE217** · 19-07-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

eh?! Thats literally what I said... It was my opinion

I find it funny that I'm "very one eyed/tracked" whilst owing both EVs and ICE and you're somehow open minded only owning ICE and historics though?

the difference is is in the delivery - your opinion to counter at times is like, take it up you know what, maybe I read wrongly but I don't think I'm alone, despite you owning both and I am open minded once it delivers a infrastructure and costs that appease's to the market as a whole, that day will come.
Sales figures in that bracket is ICE SUV's atm as far as I can see.
What have 2nd hand vehicles got to do in this.

I'm sure you'll answer in no time, and edit 2/3 times like your previous one.

**kypez** · 19-07-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

the difference is is in the delivery - your opinion to counter at times is like, take it up you know what, maybe I read wrongly but I don't think I'm alone, despite you owning both and I am open minded once it delivers a infrastructure and costs that appease's to the market as a whole, that day will come.
Sales figures in that bracket is ICE SUV's atm as far as I can see.
What have 2nd hand vehicles got to do in this.

I'm sure you'll answer in no time, and edit 2/3 times like your previous one.

Well thats not true. I think I quoted you in another post where you said the same thing.

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Originally Posted by kypez

Interestingly, the white paint was an expensive option earlier on.

Wait till Model Y hits the market in a couple of months. That'll be a game changer. Its expected around the $65k + ORC for the SR model.

The Model 3 is a sedan not a hatch. Seems to be selling very well for a 4 door Sedan. Several thousand sold in June. Smashed both SUV's and Sedans in that price bracket. And it seems, at that price point, people prefer Sedans not SUVs.

Medium SUVs over $60,000: Volvo XC60 (470), BMW X3 (459), Audi Q5 (454)
Medium > $60k BMW 3 Series (578) Mercedes-Benz C-Class (536) Lexus IS (135)

Model 3 blew all of these cars away for June and YTD.

XR Martin · 20-07-2021, 01:16 AM

Thousands in June? Really?
Ytd (Jan to Jun) 4200 Teslas have been delivered.
Also wasn't it you that said 6000 were being delivered in June alone? What happened to that?
I still don't get why Tesla people feel the need to over exaggerated?

au2000 · 20-07-2021, 06:58 AM

So… Ford came 3rd in June hey… wonder what July holds ….

Dr Smith · 20-07-2021, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by au2000

So… Ford came 3rd in June hey… wonder what July holds ….

I bought a Vito

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Thousands in June? Really?
Ytd (Jan to Jun) 4200 Teslas have been delivered.
Also wasn't it you that said 6000 were being delivered in June alone? What happened to that?
I still don't get why Tesla people feel the need to over exaggerated?

Actually, they sold just over 2000 in June. It was anticipated that it would be 6000 but semi conductor delays won (the one that is plaguing almost every manufacturer in the world). And the next shipment didn't make it in time and only docked late June.

Model 3 is 6300+ YTD. Not sure where you got the 4200 from?

I got it wrong with June deliveries. No issues with that. It was best case that didn't quite work out. No attempt to exaggerate here, I was merely relaying information that I had been given.

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XR Martin · 20-07-2021, 10:12 AM

My understanding is there's still 1000 sitting in a ship and another 1000 sitting at the docks.
They may be sold, but you can't count them as delivered yet.

I'm sure Toyota has 20000 waiting around, but they or anyone else doesn't count them as sold until they leave their possession.

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

My understanding is there's still 1000 sitting in a ship and another 1000 sitting at the docks.
You can't count them as delivered yet.

That's from the last shipment in late June was my understanding. Agreed that they can't be counted till delivered.

Edit: since you added the Toyota comment, I was working of registrations. Tesla are a pain in the neck with their smoke and mirrors and not releasing sales numbers.

All this highlights is the issues with second hand information which is why I bought the EVs myself to see first hand if what people were saying it true or false.

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hayseed · 20-07-2021, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Thousands in June? Really?
Ytd (Jan to Jun) 4200 Teslas have been delivered.
Also wasn't it you that said 6000 were being delivered in June alone? What happened to that?
I still don't get why Tesla people feel the need to over exaggerated?

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Originally Posted by kypez

Actually, they sold just over 2000 in June. It was anticipated that it would be 6000 but semi conductor delays won (the one that is plaguing almost every manufacturer in the world). And the next shipment didn't make it in time and only docked late June.

Model 3 is 6300+ YTD. Not sure where you got the 4200 from?

I got it wrong with June deliveries. No issues with that. It was best case that didn't quite work out. No attempt to exaggerate here, I was merely relaying information that I had been given.

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Considering TESLA don't report the Sales Figures to Vfacts..!

Where are you blokes getting Your Numbers From..??

Just Curious.

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

Considering TESLA don't report the Sales Figures to Vfacts..!

Where are you blokes getting Your Numbers From..??

Just Curious.

There are a few sites that look into registration information for how many are selling.

I was given information from someone I know who works at Tesla. They weren't to benefit from Tesla numbers being higher or lower than they actually are and was relaying what their system showed to expect.

It's all second hand information and prone to issues by its very nature.

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Bossxr8 · 20-07-2021, 11:53 AM

Gee who would have thought Tesla can’t be trusted for info.

**FTE217** · 20-07-2021, 11:55 AM

correct, its all wishy washy re numbers.
Yet you quote smashed X segment.

I've seen those sites as well, you can't bank of them nor inside info.

I suppose we can only read the tea leaves by what you see on the road, you see alot more of the other usual competitors than teslas in that segment period.
When your at a low base, increase's always look smashing.

IF your not on vfacts whats the point.

Anyway, hope Ford kicks more goals the following months, thats more important.

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Gee who would have thought Tesla can’t be trusted for info.

You do know I'm a Mach 1 owner... and just got cash compensation for? Pot kettle?

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

correct, its all wishy washy re numbers.
Yet you quote smashed X segment.

I've seen those sites as well, you can't bank of them nor inside info.

Anyway, hope Ford kicks more goals the following months, thats more important.

Well, even with the worst case numbers of 1000 Model 3's, that is still double what any of the other manufacturers sold in June.

I'll dig up the exact numbers if I can.

And yes, I'd like to see Ford do better! I just see their lack of EVs potentially leaving money on the table (my money!)!

XR Martin · 20-07-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

There are a few sites that look into registration information for how many are selling.

I was given information from someone I know who works at Tesla. They weren't to benefit from Tesla numbers being higher or lower than they actually are and was relaying what their system showed to expect.

It's all second hand information and prone to issues by its very nature.

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If I'm not mistaken that same source told you about the so called 6000 June sales, correct?

Bossxr8 · 20-07-2021, 12:11 PM

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You do know I'm a Mach 1 owner... and just got cash compensation for? Pot kettle?

They admitted their mistake. Tesla won’t. Ever. The great god elon is never wrong. How’s that self driving car going? Or the cybertruck? Or the millions of other things he promised but can’t deliver. Guys a fraud.

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

They admitted their mistake. Tesla won’t. Ever. The great god elon is never wrong. How’s that self driving car going? Or the cybertruck? Or the millions of other things he promised but can’t deliver. Guys a fraud.

True to some extend. Elon did come out and say that they made mistakes in their ramp up but didn't really offer any compensation to the owners for it.

I'm not throwing crap on Ford. Just saying that all companies make mistakes and thats not something to rubbish them for IMO.

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

If I'm not mistaken that same source told you about the so called 6000 June sales, correct?

No. Different. They said 6000 expected. It was early June when the first boat arrived. Then things went pear shaped with the Semi Conductor shortages and other logistical slow points.

XR Martin · 20-07-2021, 12:17 PM

Yeah where is the electric semi trailer they promised in 2017 for release in 2019? I guess needing 15t+ of batteries was a bit of an issue?

Bossxr8 · 20-07-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Yeah where is the electric semi trailer they promised in 2017 for release in 2019? I guess needing 15t+ of batteries was a bit of an issue?

Good old elon and his **** talking. He’s been a bit quieter lately so maybe he has learnt to shut his mouth and stop making himself look like an utter fool.

naddis01 · 20-07-2021, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Good old elon and his **** talking. He’s been a bit quieter lately so maybe he has learnt to shut his mouth and stop making himself look like an utter fool.

He's been too busy manipulating the crypto market lately to make promises he can't keep with Tesla.

**kypez** · 20-07-2021, 12:34 PM

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Yeah where is the electric semi trailer they promised in 2017 for release in 2019? I guess needing 15t+ of batteries was a bit of an issue?

I need to learn how to be this bitter...

So the Semi isn't here. It's great that people gave grand visions and fall short than having mediocre ambitions and achieving all of them!

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Franco Cozzo · 20-07-2021, 10:49 PM

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He's been too busy manipulating the crypto market lately to make promises he can't keep with Tesla.

Yep, that is absolutely ridiculous, if he was doing that on the stock market he'd be up for the classic pump and dump, because its unregulated market they can get away with this shifty ****.

**GasoLane** · 20-07-2021, 11:25 PM

For those who've suddenly become dyslexic this is a thread concerning Vfacts June 2021 NOT a Tesla, Musk or EV's. I believe there are other threads for that so please use those.

Dr Smith · 21-07-2021, 08:07 AM

For those wondering what effect stock shortages have, as of yesterday we still don't have a build date for a Dec 19th ordered Escape and it's gone through 2 MY changes so who knows when it gets build what specs it may have.