Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by xxx000

And if the cause was found to be a rogue pilot or other issue unrelated to the aircraft itself then both would surely be entitled to a refund of any contribution they made?

Reality is it's too early to complain about the cost, just find it determine the cause, then think about who else should contribute.

Too early?!! Its six months since it came down.

And it does not matter one iota whether it is found to be unrelated to the aircraft or not. Going by your reasoning, Australia shouldn't be paying either, being outside our waters.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by cram it frog

they will find it I am sure of that when and how well that is the question

there are many company's now searching the Indian ocean for mineral wealth as well as gas and oil

personally it I feel at this stage that is that is how they will find it by accident some one looking for something other than the aircraft.

lots of off shore fishing out that way that is a possible when some debry is brought up by fishing nets

They are still finding bombs from www2 in fishing nets off the UK coast not every day but every so often a net brings up a nice surprise

Maybe I'm cynical, but if this has gone down where they say it has, then something would have turned up by now. A b777 and all of its contents hitting the water at 400+ kmh just can't disappear... Cushions, life jackets, tray tablets, magazines, luggage, wings and tail. Contrast to AF447. Ocean currents would have turned something up on the WA coast line by now.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by smoo

Maybe I'm cynical, but if this has gone down where they say it has, then something would have turned up by now. A b777 and all of its contents hitting the water at 400+ kmh just can't disappear... Cushions, life jackets, tray tablets, magazines, luggage, wings and tail. Contrast to AF447. Ocean currents would have turned something up on the WA coast line by now.

Or it has simply blended in with the great ocean garbage patch.

[whishy]

MH370 = the flight that was shot down above Ukraine... Say some conspiracy theorists.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by whishy

MH370 = the flight that was shot down above Ukraine... Say some conspiracy theorists.

637 passengers in total from both incidents. Unless it was an Airbus A180. Or one passenger list was sitting on the wings.

[Bobman]

Shows how stupid conspiracy people are since they use no logic.

MH370 used a 2002 build aircraft. MH17 used a 1997 build aircraft. If you look at photos of the MH17 crash site, there are numerous Boeing parts with 1996/1997 stamp dates which is consistent with the aircraft used. It's impossible to duplicate an aircraft anyway.

These same idiots also claim that GovCo will be carefully putting pieces in the Indian Ocean for them to be "found".

It's funny how they pick their incidents too.

[whishy]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Shows how stupid conspiracy people are since they use no logic.

MH370 used a 2002 build aircraft. MH17 used a 1997 build aircraft. If you look at photos of the MH17 crash site, there are numerous Boeing parts with 1996/1997 stamp dates which is consistent with the aircraft used. It's impossible to duplicate an aircraft anyway.

These same idiots also claim that GovCo will be carefully putting pieces in the Indian Ocean for them to be "found".

It's funny how they pick their incidents too.

Guys, Im with ya. Just making conversation that theres people out there who just want to cause a fuss, because they "can"

These same people have MH370 landing on some secret island "Diego something"..

I just find it amusing what these people come up with, and if they wrote novels they would be millionaires

[Bobman]

Agreed mate, it's fun to read some of the weird theories, but you can't take them seriously.

Of course, that doesn't make us "sheep" if we use our own logic

[Windsor220]

If it was MH370 shot down then what happened to MH17? Stupid theory.

[EASYBOSS]

Warning warning, it's lost in space, maybe sea space and never to be found in our lifetime

[cram_it_frog]

I am not sure if they will find it in my life time but I think it will end up being some thing simple ,

[Windsor220]

I still think the pilot purposely put it down out in the Indian Ocean. The deleted files in his simulator would suggest it. As for the wreckage it would take forever to find and whose to say anything on the surface hasnt blown down to Antartica or somewhere. The area is so remote.

[CoupeKing]

Its a possibility that there isnt any debris, or very minimal. Skilled Pilot with the right training and in ideal conditions can land the said plane and at worst, lose an engine or 2 (been done before).

If the superstructure isnt ruptured on impact, the fuselage will eventually fill up with water and sink. Only debris field you will have will be from fluids, or if the plane breaks up at depth. Highly unlikely though, because you cant compress water so no implosion.

Ever seen those under-water wrecks from WW2, in the Pacific? Pilot gets lost, or runs out of fuel, ditches the plane and it sinks. Half a century later we see it intact with just some bent propellers.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by whishy

Guys, Im with ya. Just making conversation that theres people out there who just want to cause a fuss, because they "can"

These same people have MH370 landing on some secret island "Diego something"..

I just find it amusing what these people come up with, and if they wrote novels they would be millionaires

Lol, nothing secret about Diego Garcia,.., it's probably one of the most watched islands in the world. Also nowhere to hide something like a missing Malaysian airlines passenger jet.

[Bobman]

I think it will be found, but it will have to be a stroke of luck.

There are inhabited small islands closer to the new search zone than Perth is & Antartica also has people there, but it's likely to be in the search area or slightly further south.

Would not be fun to be out there though, so I wish the search team all the best!

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Bobman

I think it will be found, but it will have to be a stroke of luck.

There are inhabited small islands closer to the new search zone than Perth is & Antartica also has people there, but it's likely to be in the search area or slightly further south.

Would not be fun to be out there though, so I wish the search team all the best!

Its a possibility that there isnt any debris, or very minimal. Skilled Pilot with the right training and in ideal conditions can land the said plane and at worst, lose an engine or 2 (been done before).

If the superstructure isnt ruptured on impact, the fuselage will eventually fill up with water and sink. Only debris field you will have will be from fluids, or if the plane breaks up at depth. Highly unlikely though, because you cant compress water so no implosion.

Ever seen those under-water wrecks from WW2, in the Pacific? Pilot gets lost, or runs out of fuel, ditches the plane and it sinks. Half a century later we see it intact with just some bent propellers.
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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Lol, nothing secret about Diego Garcia,.., it's probably one of the most watched islands in the world. Also nowhere to hide something like a missing Malaysian airlines passenger jet.

I have a friend who works for Emirates and the chit chat around the water cooler is that it was taken to Diego Garcia and taken apart to be hidden.

Of course... that is just a theory....

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I have a friend who works for Emirates and the chit chat around the water cooler is that it was taken to Diego Garcia and taken apart to be hidden.

Of course... that is just a theory....

Did you ask your friend what happened to the passengers and crew?

[martinijosh]

Theory implies knowledge, I would call that a wild guess to feed the conspiracy nuts.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Did you ask your friend what happened to the passengers and crew?

Nah, changed the subject, sorry :(

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by martinijosh

Theory implies knowledge, I would call that a wild guess to feed the conspiracy nuts.

Call it what you will, just passing on what I was told.

Theory / wild guess - at this point in time they may as well be the same thing in the case of MH370.

What are the facts at this point in time? That the plane is missing and that it flew on for several hours in a variety of possible directions. Bout it.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Call it what you will, just passing on what I was told.

Theory / wild guess - at this point in time they may as well be the same thing in the case of MH370.

What are the facts at this point in time? That the plane is missing and that it flew on for several hours in a variety of possible directions. Bout it.

Not quite.

Start with the 2 Iranian passengers with stolen Malaysian passports, reason enough to raise an eyebrow.
Then add the luggage which was booked in to travel by passengers who didn't board, that sound suss.
Now consider the planes communications system was shut down one at a time just after it leaves Malaysian traffic control and before it enters Vietnamese control, just a coincidence perhaps.

Maybe, but consider why they started looking in an area that the plane could never have reached with its fuel load and then the coincidence of changing the search area the day after I did some rough guestimates an concluded that it couldn't possibly be where they said it was at first and posted my findings on here.
Not that im an aviation expert or anything, but FFS, if you lose a plane the first thing you work out is how far it could have gone with its available fuel load.
Chances are if it crashed it will be somewhere within that radius...

The whole thing has been a shambles regardless of where it is.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Not quite.

Start with the 2 Iranian passengers with stolen Malaysian passports, reason enough to raise an eyebrow.
Then add the luggage which was booked in to travel by passengers who didn't board, that sound suss.
Now consider the planes communications system was shut down one at a time just after it leaves Malaysian traffic control and before it enters Vietnamese control, just a coincidence perhaps.

Maybe, but consider why they started looking in an area that the plane could never have reached with its fuel load and then the coincidence of changing the search area the day after I did some rough guestimates an concluded that it couldn't possibly be where they said it was at first and posted my findings on here.
Not that im an aviation expert or anything, but FFS, if you lose a plane the first thing you work out is how far it could have gone with its available fuel load.
Chances are if it crashed it will be somewhere within that radius...

The whole thing has been a shambles regardless of where it is.

True.... My uncle was head of airport Customs (in another country) and some of what you say happens (or used to happen) on a daily basis - stolen passports, 'misplaced' baggage etc... this is nothing new or out of the ordinary for Airport Customs. I have a few friends who used to work at Sydney Airport - I should ask them how many fake or stolen passports they would get per day / week.

Yes, the communications were 'shut down' but how do we actually know that was the case as fact? Does shutting down the communications send a 'shut down' signal I wonder? Much like most of this mystery, I assume the fact that it was shut down is a guess - after all, we don't have the plane nor any recounts from passengers. Yes, they lost contact (across so many systems that monitor the flight) but the fact is we still don't know for certain what happened.

Shambles - you bet ya, and I believe when the truth does finally emerge what we currently know will be the tip of the iceberg.

[Bobman]

Main thing that blows most of the conspiracy theories out of the water are the pings revealed by a private company, not exactly affiliated by a government body and originally set-up as "not for profit".

[Charliewool]

The talk around "the water cooler" at Boeing factory in Port Melbourne is that the search area was determined by how long (7odd hrs) that the engines were still reporting back to Boeing headquarters in US after it went off radar.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Main thing that blows most of the conspiracy theories out of the water are the pings revealed by a private company, not exactly affiliated by a government body and originally set-up as "not for profit".

Eexcept that those pings are so precise they couldn't even tell if it was in northern hemisphere of the Southern Hemisphere. It's a whole lot of guesswork at the moment it seems.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

True.... My uncle was head of airport Customs (in another country) and some of what you say happens (or used to happen) on a daily basis - stolen passports, 'misplaced' baggage etc... this is nothing new or out of the ordinary for Airport Customs. I have a few friends who used to work at Sydney Airport - I should ask them how many fake or stolen passports they would get per day / week.

Shambles - you bet ya, and I believe when the truth does finally emerge what we currently know will be the tip of the iceberg.

As isolated cases, im sure there are plenty of inconsistencies everyday considering the thousands of flights worldwide, but when you look at MH370 the list of 'coincidences' is extreme.
For those to have taken place on an aircraft of its type and for it to now be MIA, you have to wonder.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Eexcept that those pings are so precise they couldn't even tell if it was in northern hemisphere of the Southern Hemisphere. It's a whole lot of guesswork at the moment it seems.

Yeah, I agree that no-one has an exact answer, but I can't see any government wasting millions on a search that would be wrong this late down the track. The same governments who are very tight with money for people generally.

[Ruination]

My old man was part of a search team to scout out Airfields in the Pilbara/Kimberlys. Some of which are ex Aus and US Military from WW2, and big enough to land a Boeing 777 on.

Obviously nothing came through with it and was a waste of time, but it goes to show how much they have no idea where this plane is.

[Romulus]

Did he go to Corunna Downs near Marble Bar? I went there a few years ago. Interesting place.