GT and GTHO go up in shed fire

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by 84RGE

These were taken March this year the reason for them being late is the GTHO is worth $850,000 nower days and i have without a doubt in my mind that some no hopers on this site would try and hunt it down to theive it since they cant afford to buy one let alone buy a tyre. Now that it is gone i can post it up without the worry.
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I doubt that car is worth half that! I wonder what a thief that stole it would do with it? Maybe they'll drive it around? Sell it on Australian muscle car sales?

In any case it's not hard to track down a Phase 3 there is about 3 or 4 advertised for sale just ring up the owner and go check one out.

I don't understand people logic sometimes. How did he drive the car? with a car cover on just in case someone sees it and hunts him down.

I guess its a bit of a relieve to have it gone, paranoia can be bad for your well being.

[GT 4eva]

oh no!!!!!!!!

[TadKa]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I doubt that car is worth half that! I wonder what a thief that stole it would do with it? Maybe they'll drive it around? Sell it on Australian muscle car sales?

In any case it's not hard to track down a Phase 3 there is about 3 or 4 advertised for sale just ring up the owner and go check one out.

I don't understand people logic sometimes. How did he drive the car? with a car cover on just in case someone sees it and hunts him down.

I guess its a bit of a relieve to have it gone, paranoia can be bad for your well being.

Have you actually read the thread????
Maybe do that before you start telling people what their pride and joy was worth.

[twr7cx]

dang, nice insurance claim. wonder how much they were actually insured for?

[vanman_75]

dont know the fella but this aint about money i dont think,that would make me cry i dont put a value on my cars they are worth nothing they are mine ,not for sale no questions .go burn your pride and joy no money will ever make you feel better .

[Gammaboy]

Originally Posted by 84RGE

Posted on Boostcruising:

Are those Cup washers under the dash screws correct? Or are they a "fix" for the classical broken out screw holes?

[KBBossedXR]

Its a fairly common practice to seperate cars for this reason and also so they cant all be stolen.

Main thing is that no one was injured, but i couldnt imagine what would be going through his head right now.

If your thinking about doing something today do it because you dont know whats going to happen tommorrow!!

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by Stefan

I doubt that car is worth half that! I wonder what a thief that stole it would do with it? Maybe they'll drive it around? Sell it on Australian muscle car sales?

In any case it's not hard to track down a Phase 3 there is about 3 or 4 advertised for sale just ring up the owner and go check one out.

I don't understand people logic sometimes. How did he drive the car? with a car cover on just in case someone sees it and hunts him down.

I guess its a bit of a relieve to have it gone, paranoia can be bad for your well being.

I think there would be a couple of people on this forum who won't tell what they have got. You can't trust everybody who goes on this site you know.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by zx10

Poor fella, I really feel for him. Tragic, just tragic.

Sad yes, tragic, I don’t think so.

At the end of the day, it was just a car. Tragic would be it there was a three year old child in the car at the time.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by 84RGE

Posted on Boostcruising:

Thought i would post this now, as the GTHO is gone forever It was my uncles but tragically it is now in car heaven. Info on what happened to it can be found here just scroll through comments for more detail.

http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/...owtopic=308874

These were taken March this year the reason for them being late is the GTHO is worth $850,000 nower days and i have without a doubt in my mind that some no hopers on this site would try and hunt it down to theive it since they cant afford to buy one let alone buy a tyre. Now that it is gone i can post it up without the worry.

Enjoy

Ford Falcon Phase III GT-HO

Engine:
The engine was basically a pulled down and reworked 351 4V out of the crate .
Carby was a 780 Vac Secondary Holley specially made for Ford.
Intake manifold was standard cast iron dual plane 4V type with 2 modifications.
The two front venturis were opened out slightly and the exhaust gas heat exchanger holes were blocked off with grub screws.
Distributor was a modified Autolite dual diaphragm.
Heads were machined to take screw in studs and 3/8 inch pushrod guide plates.
Single groove valves and locks were used in place of the triple grooved ones.
Different spring and damper combination was fitted all ready to take the solid stick.
Cam was available in 2 types . One with a theoretical lift of .494 inch and the other with .524 inches.
Water pump had a .750 inch diameter dual ball bearing race assembly fitted to improve load carrying ability.
Block had 2 bolt crank caps and not 4 bolt as a lot of people seem to think, as it was just a pulled down.
Bottom end was balanced along with the new Boss 351 harmonic balancer .
Standard capacity sump had one mod. It had a 'crank scraper' type windage tray spot welded at the rear.

Exhaust:
Head Mod headers were used and these were of a tuned length type through a 2.25 inch exhaust to a special sports muffler at the rear, then 2 inch tailpipes as in the GT

Suspension:
Six leaf - 4 under main spring and one upside down on top of main spring.
Front springs longer than the GT to suit the later model type XA stub axle and upper control arm.
Upper control arm XA type with 3 stud ball joint not 4 as in XR - XY and shorter length for better handling.
Front sway bar that was 1 inch and a rear sway bar that was 3/4 inch thick.

Wheels:
15" x 7" Bathurst Globe Mags

Modifications:
Ummm are you kidding, maybe new battery and tyres

Stereo Audio / Visual:
Whatever the 1970's had

Estimated Power:
280hp to 300hp

not having a go. just curious. seems to me the car had a few modifications to the engine and suspension. whilst these may have improved things as they came from factory, would they not also detract from the value? wouldn't an enthusiast want everything virtually the same as it left the factory?

[Elks]

Originally Posted by prydey

not having a go. just curious. seems to me the car had a few modifications to the engine and suspension. whilst these may have improved things as they came from factory, would they not also detract from the value? wouldn't an enthusiast want everything virtually the same as it left the factory?

Only really matters if you plan on selling it.

[Jayden]

anyone with a classic car should be watching it like a hawk right about now. Very sad news.

[fergus]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Exactly.. You could do a ground up resto/rebuild from a twisted rusty shell for about 100-120K.... it will be far cheaper for the insurance company to repair it than write it off.... the car is "worth" far more than its repair cost even if its a smouldering crumpled mess.

I hope the compliance plate was salvaged! London to a brick it melted in the fire.

Reading 84RGE's post, the motor was a rebuilt 2 bolt 351 crate motor?

So assuming the body was even salvagable, they would end up with an HO shell that had no compliance plate and no original engine.

How much would the rebuilt car be worth?
Would it be cost effective to rebuild?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by fergus

I hope the compliance plate was salvaged! London to a brick it melted in the fire.

Reading 84RGE's post, the motor was a rebuilt 2 bolt 351 crate motor?

So assuming the body was even salvagable, they would end up with an HO shell that had no compliance plate and no original engine.

How much would the rebuilt car be worth?
Would it be cost effective to rebuild?

Um those are the specs for a Phase 3 engine dude. It says nothing about a non -original Block. In any case engine blocks don't have a huge effect on P3 values as you'll be hard pressed to find one with the original engine and when you do, how can you ever prove without a doubt it is the original engine not a re-stamped block from the states.

If the compliance plate is gone i'd still think it'd be worth $200K+ restored to spec.

[fergus]

Cheers Stefan

I assumed a non original motor when I read "out of the crate" but now I see he was explaining what Ford did to the motor....

Given that most were raced, it probably wouldn't be unusual to see a lot of HOs with replacement motors.

At $200k it would definitely be worth rebuilding. Again, depends on how much the insurance co is willing to put into it?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 84RGE

Ford Falcon Phase III GT-HO

Engine:
The engine was basically a pulled down and reworked 351 4V out of the crate .
Carby was a 780 Vac Secondary Holley specially made for Ford.
Intake manifold was standard cast iron dual plane 4V type with 2 modifications.
The two front venturis were opened out slightly and the exhaust gas heat exchanger holes were blocked off with grub screws.
Distributor was a modified Autolite dual diaphragm.
Heads were machined to take screw in studs and 3/8 inch pushrod guide plates.
Single groove valves and locks were used in place of the triple grooved ones.
Different spring and damper combination was fitted all ready to take the solid stick.
Cam was available in 2 types . One with a theoretical lift of .494 inch and the other with .524 inches.
Water pump had a .750 inch diameter dual ball bearing race assembly fitted to improve load carrying ability.
Block had 2 bolt crank caps and not 4 bolt as a lot of people seem to think, as it was just a pulled down.
Bottom end was balanced along with the new Boss 351 harmonic balancer .
Standard capacity sump had one mod. It had a 'crank scraper' type windage tray spot welded at the rear.

Exhaust:
Head Mod headers were used and these were of a tuned length type through a 2.25 inch exhaust to a special sports muffler at the rear, then 2 inch tailpipes as in the GT

Suspension:
Six leaf - 4 under main spring and one upside down on top of main spring.
Front springs longer than the GT to suit the later model type XA stub axle and upper control arm.
Upper control arm XA type with 3 stud ball joint not 4 as in XR - XY and shorter length for better handling.
Front sway bar that was 1 inch and a rear sway bar that was 3/4 inch thick.

Wheels:
15" x 7" Bathurst Globe Mags

Modifications:
Ummm are you kidding, maybe new battery and tyres

Stereo Audio / Visual:
Whatever the 1970's had

Estimated Power:
280hp to 300hp

That is almost word for word what is written on unique cars and parts, google: xy falcon gt.

On a side note, is it just my imagination, or does this make a total of 5 muscle cars that have gone since the a55 dropped out of the market

[Bushbasher]

Excuse my ignorance but what is the a55?

[4Vman]

Some positive news... I heard last night from a friend of steve's that both cars are going to be repaired/restored.

[OLDFORDNUT]

thats good news, i was told shannons were looking at cars on Saturday morning,and friend (cousin of owner)was saying he was gutted by whats happened.
some of the comments on here hinting about insurance claims being dodgy should shut your mouths and keep comments like that to yourselves ,this is not some speculator who brought cars recently ,he has had big offers before and kept them through thick and thin and these sorts of comments are offensive as they usually come from people who would do dodgy things.

[MR HO]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Some positive news... I heard last night from a friend of steve's that both cars are going to be repaired/restored.

Thats fantastic news, i'm glad these two cars will be saved.
Cheers

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Some positive news... I heard last night from a friend of steve's that both cars are going to be repaired/restored.

But unfortunately the compliance plates are destroyed.

For most of us GT enthusiasts that little plate sometimes means as much as the rest of the car.....

[R0BD0G]

could they be reproduced by fomoco?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Kermit 73

could they be reproduced by fomoco?

No they are gone forever.

[Peuty]

It's a shame to hear, good that they are going to be restored, but they will never be the same.

On a useless trivia side note, I went to uni with the writer of that newspaper article.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Stefan

But unfortunately the compliance plates are destroyed.

For most of us GT enthusiasts that little plate sometimes means as much as the rest of the car.....

Yes, some will view it more In a monetary sense, some will see it less important i guess, because the car will always be what it is, plate or not, at least its got a verified traceable history...

[Full Noise]

With the plates being so valuable, there could be a chance that he removed them from the vehicle and kept them in a safer place than the garage. If not, I’m sure that there would be someone who could modify or reconstruct a new compliance plate.

Would there be anything illegal about it?

He’d only be reproducing what he already had in the first place.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

With the plates being so valuable, there could be a chance that he removed them from the vehicle and kept them in a safer place than the garage. If not, I’m sure that there would be someone who could modify or reconstruct a new compliance plate.

Would there be anything illegal about it?

He’d only be reproducing what he already had in the first place.

The plates were on the cars (where legally theyre supposed to be) and were apparently destroyed.

In any event its highly illegal to reproduce, alter and even remove compliance plates.

[XBROO]

With all these muscle cars going to the grave lately and full condolances to the owners we should have some kind of furnal and wake.

[KBBossedXR]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The plates were on the cars (where legally theyre supposed to be) and were apparently destroyed.

In any event its highly illegal to reproduce, alter and even remove compliance plates.

Who polices this, when i had my XR GT i had the Compliance plate in a safe box at my Bank & Shannons insurance company were well aware of this, i also know of other owners who dont have plates on there cars for this reason.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by KBBossedXR

Who polices this, when i had my XR GT i had the Compliance plate in a safe box at my Bank & Shannons insurance company were well aware of this, i also know of other owners who dont have plates on there cars for this reason.

XRGT's don't have compliance plates, they only have ID plates.
1970 XWGT's were the first to have compliance plates.
If the police or vicroads inspect your vehicle they will check..