Manual BA turbo times - Page 2

F6 UTE · 01-05-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

My best 60's on the street radials were done on 10-12 psi, I have photos of them with the walls wrinkling like drag slicks.

I think that would be highly unlikely on 245/40/18's??

at a guess..

Xtreme F6 · 01-05-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

I think that would be highly unlikely on 245/40/18's??

at a guess..

i doubt hes running 11.3's 245/40/18's mate

nugget378 · 01-05-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

I think that would be highly unlikely on 245/40/18's??

at a guess..

The question was about the 255/50/16, I used 235/60/15 so I thought I'd share my experience of them, only ricers race on 18's

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F6 UTE · 02-05-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

only ricers race on 18's

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Indeed, but atleast I can run 12.80 all day everyday without changing tyres or dropping weight etc etc.

A true indication of 'street trim'. imo..

On the road, from the lights or at the racetrack ( circut ) I have beaten many a car that are technically 'quicker' than mine.

nugget378 · 02-05-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

Indeed, but atleast I can run 12.80 all day everyday without changing tyres or dropping weight etc etc.

A true indication of 'street trim'. imo..

On the road, from the lights or at the racetrack ( circut ) I have beaten many a car that are technically 'quicker' than mine.

And, your still handicapping yourself like that, I just pipped into the 11's on road
tyres, but this game is about going as quick as you can

F6 UTE · 02-05-2006, 11:29 PM

That's where i'm different.

I don't see it as handicapping. I see it as going to the drags to see how fast my car is in it's everyday trim.

If I wanted to go drag racing, would I have bought a manual???????????????????????

Paul@eliteauto · 20-06-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

That's where i'm different.

I don't see it as handicapping. I see it as going to the drags to see how fast my car is in it's everyday trim.

If I wanted to go drag racing, would I have bought a manual???????????????????????

manuals are definitly SLOWER.
Harder to get consistant starts.
turbo doesnt stay spooled like an auto.
every time you press in the clutch you lose time.
Sutty's car has the same rear wheel horsepower as mine.
running M/t's and auto has run now a 11.4 @ 120.
I see both you guys opinion about race trim and street trim.
all i can say is each to their own.
as long as we are out there having fun.
and by the way to the f6 ute wrong about cvs mate.
blew rh inner just driving home a few weeks ago.
I suppose 730 rw nm of torque will do that! :sm_headba

F6 UTE · 26-06-2006, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul@eliteauto

manuals are definitly SLOWER.

I doubt that mate

my 'drag' trim ( MT streets.. ) netted me a time very comparible with auto efforts..

go the manuals.... :jab:

F6 UTE · 26-06-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul@eliteauto

Harder to get consistant starts.

turbo doesnt stay spooled like an auto.

every time you press in the clutch you lose time.

Just adding to these comments..

Consistant starts are done with the launch control setup.. but I don't use mine
turbo does stay spooled
No TB lag for me.. tuner has that sorted..

I actually think manuals can be quicker, kw for kw..

qwigybo · 26-06-2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

I doubt that mate

my 'drag' trim ( MT streets.. ) netted me a time very comparible with auto efforts..

go the manuals.... :jab:

how much rwkw you running though ?

turbo6 · 26-06-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

I doubt that mate

my 'drag' trim ( MT streets.. ) netted me a time very comparible with auto efforts..

go the manuals.... :jab:

I don't doubt they (manuals) are slower.

Go to the track, leave your street/everyday tyres on, leave all your weight as you drive everyday in the car and your tailgate up, and then try and run CONSISTENT 11.8's. No chance in God's green earth. My best time in my manual F6 is 12.3 - and that was with (at the time) 355rwkw's, in about 36 degree summer temp (Willowbank), with the standard crappy dunlops at street pressure of around 29psi and no lightening of the car - spare stayed in, a 2.4sec 60ft time and definitely no flat shifting.

You might fluke one (an 11) every ten runs or so but I will lay money that the average times you run will be mid to late 12's. The same power as we run in an auto will hand our asses to us everytime, but like someone said (may have been you) if I wanted to drag race, I would have bought an auto.

I forgot to turn my traction control off on one run, did about a 5 sec (or more) 60ft time, ran a 16 something ET and did it at 120MPH. The power is there, but getting a manual off the line and through the gears (WITHOUT flat shifting) is a relatively slow process.

F6 UTE · 26-06-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo6

I don't doubt they (manuals) are slower.

Go to the track, leave your street/everyday tyres on, leave all your weight as you drive everyday in the car and your tailgate up, and then try and run CONSISTENT 11.8's.

I ran this tune once. The tune ran with the MT tyres on, we were going all out.. so to speak..

The previous tune which was not wog tweaked ran 12.3, on 3 occasions. All @ 117mph or thereabouts.. All on my standard street tyres ( 40psi, not dropped p[ressures ) all with full weight, inc hardcover and t/gate. Also no flat shifting involved..

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Originally Posted by turbo6

You might fluke one (an 11) every ten runs or so but I will lay money that the average times you run will be mid to late 12's.

I ran the 11 once ( on the 3rd run, being only the 3rd run I have made on my MT's.. ) and got booted from the track as I don't have S/S licence. I guarantee this car will not only run an 11 again, but will run consistantly, and improove it's ET with a couple of minimal adjustments to the way it runs now..

It might not run an 11 with street tyres, but then again, not many autos' do with ~310rwkw.

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Originally Posted by turbo6

The same power as we run in an auto will hand our asses to us everytime,

I don't think so, unless you're talking modified auto, and modified stall....

I have done considerable testing in the manual, and with MT's, the advantage of the auto ( imo ) is gone.

fianl gearing is the only thing holding the manual back.

Show me an xr6t with a stock auto, stock stall running 11's. The F6 has that ability.. To run an 11 with a completely standard driveline.

Auto F6, stock driveline yep, a$$ whipping :( but then we don't yet know how strong those are..

Arguements can go forever, and where do you draw the line regarding comparability. modified autos', modified shift firmness, stallies etc etc etc Vs different clutches, rip shifters etc.

The bottom line is, not many people have dragged the manual. Seems it got too hard and people gave up, or didn't try hard enough.

Unless you run a dedicated drag car, built for the strip, a manual can go as quick as an auto.. This is what i'm saying..

F6 UTE · 26-06-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by qwigybo

how much rwkw you running though ?

A peak of 313rwkw.

turbo6 · 27-06-2006, 08:47 AM

And watch the CV's fall out of the sedans with MT's on the back........ bugger that!

Give me some 6 pot brakes, adjustable coilovers and throw some corners in. Now that is driving! That is why I bought a manual, oh, and to be a dyno queen!

nugget378 · 27-06-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

The bottom line is, not many people have dragged the manual. Seems it got too hard and people gave up, or didn't try hard enough.

Unless you run a dedicated drag car, built for the strip, a manual can go as quick as an auto.. This is what i'm saying..

No way in hell is a manual quicker than an auto in drag racing,unless your talking a racing dog box with a 5.5-7.25" clutch,all this talk of modified auto's is bs, how many 11 sec manual cars have the standard clutch setup in them?
From my own experience an auto in the exact same car with correct stall will run 3-4 tenths quicker,an auto will usually 60' better as well. All the time is lost in the gear changes,2 to 3 changes by half track, how will an auto not be quicker in the same car? A synchro box just cannot be shifted fast enough.

EASPRINT · 27-06-2006, 07:20 PM

I know with My EA Turbo and a manual gearbox is not a good drag racing combination. 60ft times are useless with street tyres or MT's. Turbo wont boost up with no load. I just ran a PB of 12.3 @ 121.4mph on 17" Kumho street tyres full pressure.

Paul@eliteauto · 14-07-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

Just adding to these comments..

Consistant starts are done with the launch control setup.. but I don't use mine
turbo does stay spooled
No TB lag for me.. tuner has that sorted..

I actually think manuals can be quicker, kw for kw..

you got to be joking.
if an auto has the same rear wheel kw it got more engine kw.
loss through the auto is greater than manual FACT.
every time you put your foot on the clutch to change gears you loose time FACT.
you can launch at the drags spooled up in an auto every time.
a friend of mine changed his toran from manual to auto and gained 1.2 seconds
FACT
I dont care what launch control set up you have!
Hey but thats just my opinion.
If you talk track days I would trade my manual for the world.

BAturb · 15-07-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

I don't think so, unless you're talking modified auto, and modified stall....

I have done considerable testing in the manual, and with MT's, the advantage of the auto ( imo ) is gone.

fianl gearing is the only thing holding the manual back.

Show me an xr6t with a stock auto, stock stall running 11's. The F6 has that ability.. To run an 11 with a completely standard driveline.

Arguements can go forever, and where do you draw the line regarding comparability. modified autos', modified shift firmness, stallies etc etc etc Vs different clutches, rip shifters etc.

Unless you run a dedicated drag car, built for the strip, a manual can go as quick as an auto.. This is what i'm saying..

In fact there is an XR6T in Adelaide with stock auto and stock stall with 305rwkw who runs 11.8et's, there is another XR6T with 330rwks who can manage only 12.4, guess what its a manual, my car with stock auto and stock stall runs 12.2 with 280rwkw, wait untill Adelaide gets a 1/4 mile back then you will see some good times

F6 UTE · 17-07-2006, 03:21 PM

Paul, I said KW for KW, not rwkw for rwkw.

As I said - to a point, a manul can be as quick, if not quicker than an auto.

I agree a 'drag setup' should have an auto. There is a point ( and a power figure ) where the stock ratios become too short for dragging.

The problem with alot of guys, they cannot drive the manual in the way it needs to be driven or have the clutch setup to get respectable times out of them. It's as simple as that imo.

I ran 12.3 on my street tyres, fully loaded with hardcover on BP98. 300rwkw.
I ran an auto F6 Tornado on MT's on that run ( same, with 300rwkw ), he got me off the line, but after 60' he didn't pull a single car length on me..

Paul, a PROPPER launch control in a manual WILL have boost when it leaves the line. I don't use it, but have used it on other cars..

Be back in a minute.....

F6 UTE · 17-07-2006, 03:38 PM

Here's a link to a vid I made a while ago. The quality of the thing has changed from the hosting site, but still ok. ( only ~718kb )

Have a look at the clutch, not the gear stick directly.. My 2-3 change is probably my quickest.

The vid was made when the car ran 12.80 on Dunlops.

Gearchange Vid

Quadcams · 17-07-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

The problem with alot of guys, they cannot drive the manual in the way it needs to be driven or have the clutch setup to get respectable times out of them. It's as simple as that imo.

That would be one main factor why there aint many quick manuals, not many people arnt prepared to put the time in practice, R&D and trial&error to get the most out of there manuals as it take alot of these 3 things.

Paul@eliteauto · 17-07-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

Here's a link to a vid I made a while ago. The quality of the thing has changed from the hosting site, but still ok. ( only ~718kb )

Have a look at the clutch, not the gear stick directly.. My 2-3 change is probably my quickest.

The vid was made when the car ran 12.80 on Dunlops.

Gearchange Vid

nice vids
I like your comment when you lost!
The only problem is there is always gonna be someone faster.
but well done.

F6 UTE · 17-07-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul@eliteauto

nice vids
I like your comment when you lost!
The only problem is there is always gonna be someone faster.
but well done.

Oh yeah, oops.

That was the Auto F6 on MT's I ran on my streets.. lol.

It was payback the next week when I beat his 11.93

Boss 290 · 17-07-2006, 05:06 PM

im gunna offend a few people but who cares lol... real drivers drive manuals and no 1 can argue that. if you get 2 stock gt's 1 auto and 1 manual i believe if the manual driver hits the gears perfectly he wuld win due to the power loss in the auto (mabey its just theory) but i would deff back the manual driver if it was craig lowndes or any other performance driver who is used to changing at perfectic times...i find it abit of a let down when i hear people have 400 rwkw to find that its an auto. auto is convinient for everyday city life but when it comes to the track the manual is best option....i dont know of any races that are strictly auto the v8 supercars are manual and the f1 are manuals ? there may be auto races but i just dont know of any? in saying that the zf is a great auto and i like them on the turbos but when it comes to v8 it has to be manual for me

Quadcams · 17-07-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

im gunna offend a few people but who cares lol... real drivers drive manuals and no 1 can argue that. if you get 2 stock gt's 1 auto and 1 manual i believe if the manual driver hits the gears perfectly he wuld win due to the power loss in the auto (mabey its just theory) but i would deff back the manual driver if it was craig lowndes or any other performance driver who is used to changing at perfectic times...i find it abit of a let down when i hear people have 400 rwkw to find that its an auto. auto is convinient for everyday city life but when it comes to the track the manual is best option....i dont know of any races that are strictly auto the v8 supercars are manual and the f1 are manuals ? there may be auto races but i just dont know of any? in saying that the zf is a great auto and i like them on the turbos but when it comes to v8 it has to be manual for me

Remeber where talking about drag cars not circuit cars.

Boss 290 · 17-07-2006, 09:48 PM

the drag cars that run on methanol or watever ....are they manuals or automatics?

CAMS290 · 17-07-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

the drag cars that run on methanol or watever ....are they manuals or automatics?

They are a bit of both, if that makes sense ?

F6 UTE · 17-07-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss 290

the drag cars that run on methanol or watever ....are they manuals or automatics?

Full manual autos'.

The driver chooses when to change gear, but no clutch..

Like holding the XR in sss mode, or 1,2,3 instead of 'D'.

y'see, everyone still wishes they had a manual..

Cobra · 22-07-2006, 11:25 PM

From what I've been told the new ZFs are actually getting better times being left in Performance mode rather than manually changing them.

BAs are a big heavy thing, and in manual form they are definately difficult to get off the line. Manuals are definately more suited to track days while autos can't be beaten for drag racing.

hot460 · 23-07-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra

From what I've been told the new ZFs are actually getting better times being left in Performance mode rather than manually changing them.

Don't believe everything you hear. I have found 3tenths by shifting manually.

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