Twilight for the traditional ICE automobile

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by kmav23

Alot of people will still be alive in 2030 so the conversion of Cars and transportation to EVs is the most significant change to the automobile.

Australia should plan ahead and invest in the infrastructure, expertise, materials, manufacturing and training for a future of EVs, batteries and electrification rather than playing catch up to the rest of the world.

NSW government has announced all buses to convert to electric buses by 2030 and companies will make most of the buses in Australia.

Plan ahead for the future so the younger generation has a job and skills.

People used to complain why do we need NBN or fast internet, it's only got computer games. I'm sure many were fond of their horses as well before the conversion to cars.

You do realise that EV's aren't that new don't you?

From the article......

"In 1901, 38 per cent of the cars were electric, and 20 per cent or so were petrol, and in the middle, there was the outgoing technology of steam," says technologist and historian David Kirsch.

"If you'd asked the great experts of their age in 1900 which technology would come to dominate the motor-based transportation, I think most learned people would have said electricity."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...bMhO8U5odiQ998

[asagaai]

[QUOTE=GasoLane;6549467]You do realise that EV's aren't that new don't you?

From the article......

"In 1901, 38 per cent of the cars were electric, and 20 per cent or so were petrol, and in the middle, there was the outgoing technology of steam," says technologist and historian David Kirsch.

"If you'd asked the great experts of their age in 1900 which technology would come to dominate the motor-based transportation, I think most learned people would have said electricity."

I remember as a 5 year old in Armidale in 1970 listening to the electric thrum of electric carts that delivered milk. Along either side and below the flat bed were racks of batteries connected. Driver sat in front in open with a small roof, long flatbed tray with racks holding the milk behind him.

But the milk was in glass bottles that were recycled, and had that thick plug of full cream at the top of the bottle that had to be scooped out to let the milk flow.

And I remember watching black and white TV shows back then that showed rubbish being dumped into the ocean and concerns even then about the environment.

Nothing is new- recycling, electrics, concerns etc etc

[kypez]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

You do realise that EV's aren't that new don't you?

Worth a Watch. Aussie bloke putting an EV together. He'd been driving it for 30 years 1968!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWcy2HgTjCA

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by kypez

Worth a Watch. Aussie bloke putting an EV together. He'd been driving it for 30 years 1968!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWcy2HgTjCA

Love the 'ignition' key

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

You do realise that EV's aren't that new don't you?

From the article......

"In 1901, 38 per cent of the cars were electric, and 20 per cent or so were petrol, and in the middle, there was the outgoing technology of steam," says technologist and historian David Kirsch.

"If you'd asked the great experts of their age in 1900 which technology would come to dominate the motor-based transportation, I think most learned people would have said electricity."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...bMhO8U5odiQ998

And more recently.....all the homebuilt VW Golf, (US Rabbit) conversions of the 70's and 80's.
Aswell as the electric launches on lake Windermere in the UK, electric milk floats and Duck Flat river launches of South Australia.

Yeah hardly anything new.

[kmav23]

https://leaderpost.com/pmn/business-...nswer-to-tesla

VW Plans to Be Battery Juggernaut in $29 Billion Answer to Tesla

(Bloomberg) — Volkswagen AG is stepping up efforts to unseat Tesla Inc. as the dominant electric-car maker with a plan to build six battery factories in Europe and global investments in charging stations.

VW already has agreements for two battery plants and is exploring four additional sites for a total capacity of 240 gigawatt-hours by the end of the decade, it said Monday. The push will cost some $29 billion and would make VW the world’s second-largest cell producer after China’s Contemporary Amperex Technology Co. Ltd., according to BloombergNEF.

“E-mobility has won the race,” Chief Executive Officer Herbert Diess said during a webcast. “Our goal is to secure a pole position in the global scaling of batteries.”

Batteries have emerged as a key component in the electric-car race, and VW’s decision to step into large-scale cell manufacturing is a break from relying on suppliers. After years of trailing Tesla and the cathartic experience of the diesel-emissions cheating crisis, VW has switched gears to reorganize a sprawling behemoth from the ground up. The company now boasts the industry’s most comprehensive EV, with intentions to add about 50 purely battery-powered vehicles to its lineup by 2030.


VW’s battery factories will have a capacity of 40 gigawatt-hours each, and the company is looking for partners for most of them. The carmaker dropped a previous plan to join forces with Northvolt AB for its site in Salzgitter, Germany and will make batteries there on its own. VW plans to construct a factory in France, Spain or Portugal by 2026 and one in Poland, Slovakia or the Czech Republic by 2027, plus another two sites at European locations that have yet to be identified.

“This is a huge announcement,” said James Frith, an analyst at BloombergNEF. “Building 240 gigawatt-hours of capacity will require around $29 billion in capex based on today’s manufacturing plants and technology.”

Sweden’s Northvolt will remain a key partner, winning a $14 billion order to supply cells to premium-car brands like Audi and Porsche. VW will boost its stake in the closely held startup from about 20% to an undisclosed higher level. VW didn’t elaborate on the status of existing agreements with SK Innovation Co. Ltd. and Samsung SDI.

VW aims to at least double its share of deliveries that are fully electric this year, which could bring it within striking distance to Tesla’s EV sales. VW’s ID.3 hatchback and the Porsche Taycan based on dedicated underpinnings have stacked up well. The manufacturer plans to make some 26 million fully electric cars by 2030, highlighting concerns over battery cell costs, capacity constraints as well as raw material shortages.

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Emulating Tesla as well as General Motors Co. with a dedicated battery event, dubbed “Power Day,” VW during the two-hour event gave the deepest dive yet on its strategy to beat a path to a future selling millions of EVs.

Charging Push

VW will invest 400 million euros ($477 million) by 2025 to build out much-needed charging infrastructure in Europe, after the region overtook China in EV sales last year.

Fast-charging in Europe will grow five-fold to 18,000 stations, helped by cooperations with BP in the U.K., Iberdrola in Spain and Enel in Italy. In North America, VW is adding 3,500 stations this year and 17,000 points in China by 2025.

VW will offer bidirectional charging from 2022, in a move that would change the way power grids operate by allowing car batteries to store excess energy and feed it back to the network in times of peak demand.

Cutting Cell Costs

VW plans to switch to new ‘unified’ cell design from 2023 to as much as halve battery costs. The company is also researching solid-state batteries that it says are cheaper to assemble and allow for faster charging.

“We will use our economies of scale,” said Thomas Schmall, VW’s head of technology. Battery costs will fall “significantly” below 100 euros per kilowatt-hour, he said.

Securing Supply

Cell materials are in high demand and account for the biggest share of a battery’s cost, so securing supply before bottlenecks arise is key.

Nickel is Tesla’s biggest concern for scaling production of lithium-iron battery cells, CEO Elon Musk said last month.

VW is bolstering recycling efforts and is focusing on partnerships to ensure adequate supply, it said. Its deal with Northvolt is similar to Tesla’s tie-up with Panasonic Corp., which dates back to 2009.

Rival Plans

As carmakers scale up EV offerings, Tesla and other new entrants like Nio Inc. are stepping up their battery efforts as well.

China’s CATL is targeting close to 500 gigawatt-hours capacity by 2025, BNEF’s Frith said.

Tesla expects to add a battery-cell factory to its car-assembly plant under construction near Berlin. The site will initially have a capacity of more than 100 gigawatt-hours a year and eventually ramp up to as much as 250 gigawatt-hours, Musk said during a battery conference in November, without saying when the facility would be up and running.

[GasoLane]

As most people know, Electric cars are not that new...............

From the article

"In 1901, 38 per cent of the cars were electric, and 20 per cent or so were petrol, and in the middle, there was the outgoing technology of steam," says technologist and historian David Kirsch.

"If you'd asked the great experts of their age in 1900 which technology would come to dominate the motor-based transportation, I think most learned people would have said electricity."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...bMhO8U5odiQ998