Will the Holden brand survive?

[lra]

I can’t understand why people are hinting that the Camaro will be the saviour of Holden.
The V2 Monaro sold 13,000 variants during its cycle, and that was at a price that most drivers who wanted one, could afford. ( No counting exports)
The present market for a large coupe is the Mustang and that has been satisfied, even if a fair proportion are 4 cylinder.
Room for a few Camaros ? Probably, but nowhere near Mustang for the projected Oz price.
As for Cadillac, anyone looked their specs ? FWD 4s and V6s. And where is the CTS in their current lineup ?
Will the GM brand survive ? Yep. Selling FWD SUVs in China, and RWD trucks in the US.
Holden will survive. After its parts inventory has been bought out by Rare Spares.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by lra

The present market for a large coupe is the Mustang and that has been satisfied, even if a fair proportion are 4 cylinder.

Approximately 85% are GTs.
The Ecoboost sales are there but not as much as you'd think....

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Approximately 85% are GTs.
The Ecoboost sales are there but not as much as you'd think....

Not only that, MY2018 and MY2019 Mustang orders are going really well

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Approximately 85% are GTs.
The Ecoboost sales are there but not as much as you'd think....

Buying a EcoBoost Mustang would be like having sex with your sister - it may feel OK but it is just plain wrong.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Buying a EcoBoost Mustang would be like having sex with your sister - it may feel OK but it is just plain wrong.

My Cousin in Mackay traded in her VW Eos on an EB Mustang, got a great deal,
she loves it because it has plenty of go and not heavy on fuel.
Here's a 15 Ecoboost auto with just a tune, RWHP went from 240 stock to 300
and 1/4 mile went from 14.2 to 12.7 ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJn75u9C3SQ

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Not only that, MY2018 and MY2019 Mustang orders are going really well

Probably why sales have dropped last month, Must be getting to the end soon.

I've heard that the first of the RHD Bullitts were built last month and the plant
has been doing small batches of RHDs for a while so can't be far off now that
the first of the RHD '19s loading up a boat.

Even now, there's a kind of disbelief with the Holden guys regarding the depth of Mustang sales,
they keep going back to the Monaro and claim that all the Mustang sales must be filled by now.
I tell them that Mustang carries it's own sales oxygen, it gets good refreshes that FoA could never
afford to do to a Falcon and that's why those buyers are still lining up to order the new model.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Buying a EcoBoost Mustang would be like having sex with your sister - it may feel OK but it is just plain wrong.

There is a market for customers that never grew up knowing the Mustang or V8's for that matter.. but yes its small.

going off topic here, well sort of because it could, relate to the new commodore.

did you know the Mustang was very nearly consigned to a 4 cylinder FWD
but the fans Protested with Thousands of letters.

Rather than abandon all their work Ford released it as the Probe

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ost-a-mustang/

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Buying a EcoBoost Mustang would be like having sex with your sister - it may feel OK but it is just plain wrong.

Tuned Ecoboosts can be quite fast.
Sure it will never have the rumble of the GT.... But why is it no one ever complains about the lack of rumble when buying a Porsche 911 ?
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h, 4.1 s. Top speed, 308 km/h, 306 km/h.

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Tuned Ecoboosts can be quite fast.
Sure it will never have the rumble of the GT.... But why is it no one ever complains about the lack of rumble when buying a Porsche 911 ?
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h, 4.1 s. Top speed, 308 km/h, 306 km/h.

I have heard some mighty fine na 911's.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

Tuned Ecoboosts can be quite fast.
Sure it will never have the rumble of the GT.... But why is it no one ever complains about the lack of rumble when buying a Porsche 911 ?
Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h, 4.1 s. Top speed, 308 km/h, 306 km/h.

The 2.3 EBs have a big issue with cracking blocks when you turn up the boost,
it's round the back on the Exhaust side of the block, the lower head bolt cavities can and do crack through....LINK

Also, Why EcoBoost Mustang/Focus RS Head Gaskets Fail When Making High Horsepower
Spoiler: It's all to do with exhaust reversion with smaller than optimal exhaust turbine housing.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 2.3 EBs have a big issue with cracking blocks when you turn up the boost,
it's round the back on the Exhaust side of the block, the lower head bolt cavities can and do crack through....LINK

Also, Why EcoBoost Mustang/Focus RS Head Gaskets Fail When Making High Horsepower
Spoiler: It's all to do with exhaust reversion with smaller than optimal exhaust turbine housing.

Thought that was a Focus only issue that's been resolved now.
http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/1...een-discovered

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Thought that was a Focus only issue that's been resolved now.
http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/1...een-discovered

Different issue, wrong US style head gaskets fitted to Euro RS engines.
Even with right gaskets, you can still crack blocks and lift head gaskets
when raising the boost too high with standard Exhaust housing.
Change the housing for a bigger one and the problem disappears...

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 2.3 EBs have a big issue with cracking blocks when you turn up the boost,
it's round the back on the Exhaust side of the block, the lower head bolt cavities can and do crack through....LINK

Also, Why EcoBoost Mustang/Focus RS Head Gaskets Fail When Making High Horsepower
Spoiler: It's all to do with exhaust reversion with smaller than optimal exhaust turbine housing.

The RS and mustang are not the same engine.

They were originally, until Ford continually blew them up during testing(RS). It was so bad it put the program in jeopardy.
Ford went to cosworth for help.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

The RS and mustang are not the same engine.

They were originally, until Ford continually blew them up during testing(RS). It was so bad it put the program in jeopardy.
Ford went to cosworth for help.

I know and Cosworth changed head and block just enough to necessitate a different head gasket,
the bigger exhaust housing was put on the turbo to reduce back pressure at higher boost I mentioned earlier.
Both engines still have similar issues when you start upping the boost, the gaskets fail in similar position
on cylinders 2 and 3.